Wyze Thermostat - Smart home heating & cooling

To those looking for a Wyze thermostat… depending on what type of heat you have, perhaps some people could use a temporary solution while the Wyze “Brain Machine” (hahaha) is busy at work trying to fulfill our every “smart” desire. :slight_smile: My only need for regulating temperatures is for my little buddy RJ… my bearded dragon. What i do for him is; I plug his heat bulb into a (reptile specific) thermostat, which keeps his heat to the desired temperature, and the thermostat is plugged into a “wyze plug.” Therefore, at night, when it’s time for “lights out,” it all just turns off. So, clearly this would be of no use to those with “fancy shmancy” HVAC systems, sadly. HOWEVER…if you just have, say, a space heater (during the winter) or a window mounted/portable A/C (for summer) you could certainly “finagle the bagel…” so to speak. :smiley: WELL…that’s my 2 cents. I remain hopeful that this will help at least one person so that all the time i just spent playing “hunt & peck” was not in vain! :smiley: Good day to you all… and God speed Wyze “brain machine!” P.S. Is it not possible to access my cameras on my Chromebook? I would be giving myself too much credit if I were to simply say I’m not a “tech guy.” I’ve had Wyze cams for quite a while now, and it only JUST occurred to me to check if it’s even possible to view them on my Chromebook. Well, I’ll be looking forward to a reply from a fellow “Wyze-Guy” (or Wyze-Gal) if someone could give me the 411 on Wyze/Chtomebook compatibility… Thanks!!!*

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Same question for me. I have two different systems…two thermostats.

@akanderson528 and @Luckyleft

I would imagine this would be a good chance to compare the Wyze product to your existing one at the same time.

They might want to test two at the same house to see how they work together (if they have some feature(s) to do that) though. I guess only time will tell.

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Can we apply if we live in Canada?

I will be happy :grinning: if the temp sensors will be included in the testing @mike.s

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@mike.s hello??

Sorry, but we are only able to have testers in the US at this time

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I remembered you promised getting back to us today i.e. contacting testers you selected. Do you have the number you are looking for?

Dammit! Just know as a Canadian I/We am ready to test/buy Wyze products when you finally do ship to Canada.

I’m bummed, but i think a Wyze thermostat may be the first product I can’t pre-order / support. I am a huge fan and evangelist for Wyze, but I’ll need my thermostat up 100% of the time. My other products seem to have short moments of outtitude on the semi-reg. Can’t wait to see how it plays out!

Can I become a tester

Hi @mike.s,

Funny joke. :sweat_smile: My Not so smart Honeywell Wifi Thermostat has just kicked the bucket after working for 6 years on their Total Comfort platform. Now I can’t control my HVAC system. I ordered a few room fans to keep cool for now in NYC. Hope I get picked for the Wyze Thermostat Beta tester :joy:.

Also, check out this video of Smart home starter guide which was posted today. Wyze Cam and Wyze Cam Pan are recommended in it.

https://youtu.be/Z-_GrosHKlM

Not seen much chatter in a while, now with the temps are going up and its a perfect time to start testing the temperature changes in the house. I did have an idea that would be something cool to add to this in the future. To add a meter reader to the outside or inside unit that could tell you the power usage of your units and then the wyze thermostat could use collected data to let you be wyze about how to save energy.

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nterest: I have been looking for an industrial quality solution to residential/commercial HVAC control ever since I got into residential HVAC design for houses I build as a Project Manager, in the PNW. I was encouraged to see that Wyze were going to take this on (as they had done with the WyZeCam and Ring). I would like to add my experience to your work on this device in self-interest – so that I can buy one, to meet what is missing in the marketplace.
The Nestv2 (see below for explanation) was the first “smart” thermostat that came close to an industrial level device for process control (Smart means that combination of education and experience). Credit to the ability of the initial engineers who put it to market. Unfortunately they did not have the skills to build a sustainable business after the first release. After small improvements to the V2 release they did not/could not support the product quality as a process control device. With continued software updates under new engineers/management the device became less functional as a “smart” thermostat (completely lost the leaning/experience ability). To the point that I now use mine for on/off feedback control with no variation is set point expect on occupancy. I still use it because it gives me remote occupancy set-point control (for me to start pre-heating before occupancy) and had a convenient (touch dial) means to denote when I am leaving to denote un-occupancy. Though other thermostats exist that sell themselves as “Smart”, they are not really; they just have a “smart” looking UI – sheep dressed up as lambs.
Below is what I hope you will be doing and producing. Basically a checklist for someone to take over the lead of Nest in 2012, squandered in 2015. Can you/do want to provide this lead in 2020? I hope so. Comments from other users of your past products would also be helpful. Perhaps they can provide what they would like to see in version 1 and 2.
Decide the Functional Objective of the Device;
A) Is this to be an original definition “Thermostat” like the Honeywell Dial (the bestselling thermostat of all time), this being just an updated look (like the look of the Nest Dial)?; OR
B) Is it to be a new definition “ComfortStat” like the Nest 1.0 intended (business model - best engineering value solution based on product sales) that can default to Thermostat when the owner does not possess all of the mechanical devices necessary?
C) Is it to be a new definition “ComfortStat” like the Nest 2.0 intended (business model - Nest 1.0 software based on product and owner data sales - differ)?
D) Is Energy Efficiency an important component of the duties of the Thermostat/Comfortstat or is this left to the owner?
I certainly hope you are pursuing B); which was your approach to the WyzeCamV2. However, I wonder is you have since changed your complete business model, based on your actual experience over the last few years. As many point out in the forums, the software development has been lagging the hardware development and most mature device software is as buggy (non-functional), if not more buggy than when the device was first issued. Is this lack of software development from the (beta) initial offering now part of your business model? Is your business model actually going to mirror what happened at Nest: develop and sell version 1.0 with 85% software, improve to 90% in version 2.0 (in 12 months) and stop all software development while looking for a buyer (36 months for Nest to convince Google of model C above). Your V2 software went from Mar18 to Oct19 (going from 90% to 95%, before going backwards to 85%).
Decide the Level of Solution (scope of solution to the objective)
Temperature and Humidity - Both since human “comfort” is defined by Humiture. Also the measuring devices are commodities - now small IC’s that measure and wifi transmit both temp and humidity. Means another output on the I/O board for the Controller and another sub-routine in the control program however.
I/O Board –
Input

Set-Point - Mechanical (Dial like Nest) or Electronic (Touchscreen). Choose depending on cost of device.
Set-Point – remote via wifi. A copy of the WyzeCam I/O control.
Measured variable (in-home) – Thermocouple ; embedded in Controller or separate device. Use embedded and offer wifi separate as an added option using the hardware and software developed for all those “home” weather stations.
Measured variable (out-home) – separate wifi device (semi-weather proof like the WyseCam since it needs to located in the shade.
Output
On/Off Heating (RH)
On/Off Cooling (RC)
On/Off Humidifier (H)
On/Off Dehumidifier – Actual cooling/dehumidification control is normally done on the A/C unit controller board.
Wifi visual outputs of measure and controlled variables.

Control Program (the “software”)
Output Sub-Routines. Control Humiture (Full Comfort) or Temperature (Comfort) – give the owner the option in the set-up screen (smartphone or fixed touchscreen). Its just an added sub-routine (creating RH/RC and H outputs)the main control algorithm, like the sub-routine that creates the RH/RC outputs.
Input sub-routines. Bring in set-up parmeters (heating/cooling/humidity hardware present in the home) plus in-home and out-home temperature/humidity to the IC in the thermostat. Eliminate the need for sending to the cloud.
Main Control Routine – Process Control Routine
All done on the thermostat IC – no need for cloud computing.
In theory; this is the genius (IP) part of any process control system, the other devices being “commodities” present in many other systems (e.g temp/humid measuring in weather stations, touchscreens, wifi transmitters and receivers.
What did Nest do (if Wyze want to compete with them but learn from their mistakes, as they did with Ring and the WyZeCam2).
Fadell/Rogers originally developed their own process model and used off-the-shelf PID controller (PID for Dummies - Control Solutions) software with feedback loops. Their IP (brilliant idea) was to add feedforward loops with their control based on a DERIVED thermal process model instead of a calculated thermal process model. This included (for the first time for a residential thermostat) a “variable” instead of “fixed “constant for the thermal mass of the home. They programmed the algorithm to “learn” the best value for the thermal mass calculated from the history of “measured temperature”, “time-to-temperature” and “ambient temperature” controlling a specific process model and output improved parameters for P, I, and D actions of the local controller. To kick the models off they set up 5 preprogrammed home process models that the owner would choose in set-up mode based on the “type” of heating and the size of the home. To provide a measure of the ambient temperature they used location data provided by the owner connected to a government weather database from the country of the device. This process model and the continuing calculation of the feedforward data to the local PID controller was done in the cloud. Hence “learning thermostat” and the original Nest justification for “collection of all personal data” to the cloud. They did also want to improve the initial values (initial owner setup) so that their the future sale thermostats would “learn” quicker: who would buy a learning thermostat that would take >1 month to learn 90% about the home thermal mass? But of course they could have done this by capturing the value of the P,I,D parameters and their change from initial to final values – they did not need all of the personal data for this.
This learning mode is where Nest failed, and where all of the other “Learning Thermostats” on the market fail to deliver on marketing promises. Nest, also offered less work by the owner for comfort control and energy efficiency control – “Setup and Forget”. The Nest people were actually was well on the way to meeting all of these objectives (the reason I bought Nest 1.0/2.0); and the software was about 90% error free on launch (as Wyze software is – see many separate discussions in the forum).
What WyZe should be doing? The measured variable for Comfort is Humiture (or just temperature depending on the hardware the home owner has available) However to truly “feel” comfortable in the home (measured environment) the variability of the humiture level is also a large issue – too much variation (large single changes in humiture or several small changes) is “uncomfortable”. This variability is also a large factor is an Energy Efficiency (e.g. set back set point at night or when unoccupied being a prime example). So control of the specific control parameters “time-to-set point”, “overshoot”, and “measured-to-set point” become key to a good “Comfort” control. Develop the process model the same way as Nest (a derived thermal model) but this time based on air AND water load. This time put the feedforward routines in the IC along with the PID controller routines. Allow the program to turn off the water load calculations if not A/C OR dehumidifier hardware is present - defaulting back to Nest Control.
LASTLY
As old time Engineers say to young engineers like you. KISS.KISS.KISS. OCCUMS RAZOR, OCCUMS RAZOR, OCCUMS RAZOR.
DO NOT add “features” not explicitly designed for in the original scope; like you have tried to do work WyZeCamv2 (and failed). In the case of “WyZeComfort” DO NOT add ventilation control as a feature. In the sense that the study of home comfort and health is actually, correctly, classified as heating, Ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC). But do not go there. The knowledge/experience of how to design and implement (and control) ventilation successfully in a commercial or residential facility is not close to the knowledge used for an industrial facility. Heating and A/C are close. With all due respect to ASHRAE, the quality of the addition of ventilation to their Mission and Vision is still at the level where it cannot, with any engineering legitimacy be added to their title – H=Heating – ok, R=refrigeration –ok, A=Air conditioning –ok. No V – great – don’t advertise what you are not.

So - How Smart does the Wyze Thermostat need to Be?

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why did you write a book bro lol

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You realize that your essay here doesn’t in anyway increase or decrease your chances of being included in the testing and that you are but a single user in a market of millions, right?

Otherwise, I’m sure you wrote a lovely book above-kudos to anyone that reads it!

Edit: Can we get a TLDR version?

Umm. No.

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Submitted. Mine would be a good test if your thermo supports it. I have a dual fuel system where i use a heat pump on regular cold days but switches to my furnace for really cold days (or by command when i switch to e-heat through the Nest App)

Yea, It seems that the only way to talk to Wyze engineers is through this forum - I thought that most would understand this was addressed to them, not actually the rest of us (as you say who else has the time to read and understand what I am talking about).

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The short version:
“Comfort” not “temperature” should be control point that one sets up for ones home - “Comfortstat” not “thermostat”
Change to this “comfort” level should be minimized by the control system (changes to set point and variation about the set-point) since the human body is very sensitive (feels “uncomfortable”) to changes in comfort level as the heating/cooling system tries to keep a constant “comfort level”.
In order to achieve the above you need humidity included in the calculation and you need feed forward PID control.