V2 WPA3 support - Does anyone have it working?

Thank you for your comment. However, I’m 100% certain your wireless network is not using pure/only WPA3. It is likely in mixed WPA2 / WPA3 security mode. If it was pure WPA3 mode none of your WYZE gear would work as WYZE does not have a single device that supports pure WPA3 WIFI security.

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I don’t know what else to tell you other than i can only have WPA3 on or off, there is no mixed mode. I do have 2 other devices that are not WPA3 compatible and they will not connect to my network with WPA3 enabled when the cameras connect just fine.

maybe the beta firmware is forked off of the version of the firmware when WPA3 was supported and it has just not been taken out yet. I suggest trying that route out for either iOS or Android beta version of the app to get the different firmware. I have been on beta firmwares for quite a while now

As others have stated, enabling WPA3 on Google WiFi or Google Nest WiFi is WPA3 transition mode (mixed mode). I.e., enabling WPA3 still leaves WPA2 enabled:

Ref: Security features for Google Nest Wifi and Google Wifi

WPA2 and WPA3 security

Google Nest Wifi and Google Wifi secure your Wi-Fi network with either WPA2 protocol or the newer WPA3 protocol. Using WPA3 protocol makes your Wi-Fi network highly resistant to security risks like offline dictionary attacks.

By default, Google Nest Wifi and Google Wifi use the WPA2 protocol to maximize compatibility with legacy connected devices (such as phones, tablets, or laptops). However, you can turn on WPA3 transition mode in the Google Home app. This setting allows both WPA2 and WPA3 devices to join your Wi-Fi network.

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As mentioned above, a Wi-Fi network that uses WPA3 Personal Transition Mode (the name the Wi-Fi Alliance uses) supports both WPA3 Personal (SAE) and WPA2 Personal (PSK).

Supporting WPA3 Personal may require additional hardware and so adding support for WPA3 Personal may not be practically achievable with a simple firmware upgrade.

HOWEVER there are MANY WPA2 Personal devices with flawed implementations such that if the network lists support for anything other than WEP, WPA Personal or WPA2 Personal, they bail out.

This is what Wyze Cam v2 current (4.36.9.139) firmware seems to be doing. And this is a firmware defect, plain and simple. A properly implemented WPA2 Personal device should connect to a WPA3 Personal Transition Mode network with no problems.

I had forgotten I switched my network to use WPA3 Personal Only Mode (SAE Only) and when I switched it back to use WPA3 Personal Transition Mode, my cameras worked as expected. So while there are some misbehaving devices in the marketplace, Wyze cameras aren’t among them.

You missed the point. If the AP is set up as WPA3 transitional, WPA2 only devices (such as the Wyze cameras), can connect to it just fine in WPA2 mode… I have confirmed that. If an AP is set to WPA3 only, the Wyze camera (and any other WPA2 only device) can not connect to it - also confirmed by me.

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Oops - I forgot that I converted my WPA3 Personal Transition Mode network to WPA3 Personal Only mode, and the cameras refused to connect, albeit with no meaningful error displayed in the app. While the camera says “cannot connect”, the didn’t (or couldn’t) show a meaningful error. When I set it back to WPA3 Personal Transition Mode it began working again.

My bad! :disappointed:

However, there ARE many poorly implemented WPA2 Personal devices that don’t work with WPA3 Personal Transition Mode (or FT or other scenarios where multiple AKMs are listed in the RSNE). I’m glad our Wyze cameras aren’t among them.

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You’re spot on there. WYZE color bulbs are in that group. In other words, WYZE color bulbs do not function in WPA3 transition mode. However, I know the v2 and v3 cams do as well as the 2021 plugs. Its still crap though as everything should be supporting WPA3 Personal or what I like to call pure WPA3. As stated many times: WPA2 is a joke!

Edit:
I stand corrected. It appears that a firmware update to the original WYZE colored bulbs resolved the WPA2/WPA3 transition mode network issues. All of my color bulbs (including the new BR30 bulbs) are connecting to a transition mode network without an issue.

reading this thread makes me feel alot worse about my significant wyze investment.

i came here after upgrading my wifi router to something new (wpa3 capable, but that only means in the past 4 years. but i digress).

my router doesn’t provide a ‘transitional’ mode. its wpa2 or wpa3. i should not have given wyze the benefit of the doubt. i’m disappointed in them.

and I’m very disappointed that a release changelog would be changed 18 months later. standard practice is to list a known issue. Has that been done? I can’t find it, if its been done.

One final note: the new wyze mesh router supports wpa3. One must wonder what sort of warnings will pop up for unsuspecting wyze households when they enable wpa3.

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Yeah, the situation is far from ideal. I’m 100% with you when it comes to changing the firmware release notes. Nothing should have been removed, but rather a note added. When it comes to the new routers, I’m going to assume they will support WPA3. In order for a router to be WiFi 6 certified it must support WPA3. So the only devices WYZE will have that supports WPA3 will be their routers.
That is just nutty.

Wi-Fi CERTIFIED 6

Wi-Fi CERTIFIED WPA3™

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Over time, more and more devices will support WPA3. New standards are not implemented instantly for a variety of reasons. Some get added faster than others. Some new standards largely never really get widely implemented and usually die a slow death - usually because the one manufacturer that wanted it refuses to believe that no one else does. Or because something better comes along.

I agree with the first sentence I quoted above whole heartedly. The second sentence I quoted goes into my “fanboy and fangirl excuse” bucket.

WPA3 was ratified over 4-years ago and for darn good reason. Namely because WPA2 is a joke!

For a company that touts security services, you would think (some would expect) that they would make use of current security standards. Apparently they tried in July of 2021 and failed terribly. Thus this thread and my relentless push for WPA3 on all WYZE products, not just v2 cams.

To offer a “PRO” camera that does not support WPA3 is just plain shameful.

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And in about 5 more years, most (not all) devices will support it. You seem to be under the belief that just because a new standard was adopted 4 years ago, everyone will jump onto that new standard very quickly. In the real world, it almost never works that way. Similar reason that old technology is continued to be used. How many people are still using Windows 7, or even XP? I can name a major industry (where security is an issue) that is largely still using XP.
And BTW, WPA2 works just fine for the vast majority of users…

the level of knee-jerk low-info apologists in these forums serves no productive purpose.

its ok to have a legitimate gripe with wyze, and this is one of those worth griping about. they aren’t going to get mad at you and stop selling you v3 cams.

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Do you work or have you worked in the IT industry? I have for over two decades. Do you understand how quickly the industry changes and how fast products become outdated or unsupported? I know all about changing standards and how the industry deals with them. Let me bottom line this for you. All companies serious about WiFi security support WPA3 because they know WPA2 and its predecessors (WPA and WEP) have major known issues and vulnerabilities. Companies that are not serious about security have not incorporated WPA3 into their products. Again, WYZE is the one that said they support WPA3 for V2 cams back in JULY OF 2021! Here we are at the end of 2022 waiting for them to make good on something they said worked on the V2s.

Sure, there are indeed people using old operating systems. Would you consider those people to be smart or security conscious? The two operating systems you mentioned are extremely vulnerable with known security risks. Consumers connecting to the Internet with either of those operating systems are putting themselves at risk. Heck I recently finished a contract with a fortune < 100 company based in Minnesota that still relies on DOS 6.22 to run a large thermal direct transfer license plate printer. This particular model printer is used to print license plates for dozens of states throughout the USA and at least one province or territory in Canada. I get it, people and companies use old crap all of the time. Does that make it right? Does that make it secure? Heck no it does not.

Do most consumers or people purchasing WPA2 devices to “secure” their home know the truth about WPA2? I’m going to venture a guess and say, no they do not. If people buying WPA2 devices to secure their home knew the truth about WPA2, do you think they would buy those devices? Get on board with trying to make WYZE better by holding them accountable or feel free to continue making excuses.

Any news as to how many more releases we will need to wait? I have been waiting 1.5 years for the functionality “added” in July of 2021 to actually work. To say my patience is running thin is an understatement to say the least.

Thanks,
Known1

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Having just gotten my very first V3s I too am curious. The feature would really make them security cameras rather than toys like my (great) V2s.

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I have not poked around recently to see if there is a new answer. Let me do that and see if I can get some more info.

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Happy 2023. Just a friendly nudge to see if you had a chance to get an update on this within the past two weeks. Also, any word on WPA3 for the V3 or V3 pro “security cameras”?

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Good morning @WyzeJasonJ. I have been waiting for over two months for an update. Please advise and thank you for your time.

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Running behind from having time off, but I just asked about this today (based on the other post of yours I saw earlier) once I get an answer I will revisit both threads and update.

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