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The underlying mechanics for this functionality already exists. 5 cameras can be added to the HMS as Security Cameras. The settings within the HMS allow for the designation of these cams to alert you by push notification from the HMS, independant of the cam setting push notifications, if one detects the sound of a Smoke or Carbon Monoxide Alarm.
What is missing is the connection of that alert to Noonlight for monitored intervention. Since it is able to be done with the Leak Sensors and the Climate Sensors, I wouldnât think it would be too complicated to have these 5 cams also alert Noonlight.
However, since these are not themselves detectors, I would think it would be difficult convincing an insurance company that this constitutes fire and carbon monoxide monitoring.
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@SlabSlayer did a good job of explaining the current situation and the current detection functions by the cameras.
And i wish it was 100 % correct all the time, its not. I had a CO alarm notification from a camera the other day when i was away, and my wife was home. I called and asked and she said that no CO detector was sounding, it musta been a sound on the TV that set the camera off.
this smoke/CO monitor apparently is a big compliance / achievement challenge per earlier responses on this forum thread itself, but they have to find some sort of workaround, and, soon!
I would hope so,
Except my Cam Blk V2 does not recognize the Smoke n CO detector warning.
My OG cam does, but also detects the consistent whistling whine of my wield McLain gold series Home n water heaters exhaust motor, end of heating cycle, too.
I would love a smoke and Co detector that I can monitor battery power for and shush from my phone in the Wyze app. I have to use a ladder for both these operations and canât imagine my elderly mom could do so without help. Also having young children myself, this would prevent waking them for a false alarm which can be a lifesaver in and of itself
I understand this can be a challenge for certification, please consider my request
Just an update on this, I donât think this is going to happen any time soon.
Iâm completely paraphrasing from memory here, but on one of the recent live events (I think it was when Dave was hosting a TikTok Live event the other day), one of the employees explained that Wyze looked into smoke detectors and there were a lot of complicated regulations (and probably liabilityâmy interpretation) along with the fact that there are tons of existing options that would make it harder for them to gain a foothold into that market. Overall, it didnât seem like the cost-benefit would be worth it. It definitely isnât on their current roadmap, but they seemed to indicate that it is possible something could change in the future to make it worthwhile, but right now it wouldnât be a priority any time soon. Nobody should be âholding outâ for it if it is something you need.
My guess is Wyze will lose part or all home monitoring business if they donât introduce at least minimum support for smoke detection (optionally CO detection, too). They could just make a co-marketing agreement with an existing provider if they donât want to develop it in house. I seem to remember there is at least one company whose smoke detector connects to Noonlight monitoring center. So, it would be a part of the common infrastructure.
Also, Wyze could develop an improved smoke/CO alarm sounds detection for the new cameras. Those cams have powerful enough processors for that. Even though the older cams recognize alarm sounds quite well, too. For instance, Ring has this kind of product (alarm sound listener) and I think it has the official approvalâŚI would think?.
Another detail: It is possible to communicate the alarm from Wyze cams to Noonlight but they see it as a general (burglar) alarm, not a smoke/CO alarm. This means that Wyze could do better system quite easily from technical point of view but perhaps they donât want to invest time for official approval process?
I am on the hunt right now for an interconnected Smart Detector system with professional monitoring. But, although Noonlight has been incredible with my HMS, I am certainly not restricting my research by which company monitors.
This last AMA completely obliterated my hopes of an integrated Smart Home solution.
I really donât know what the technical possibilities or impossibilities are. They already monitor Cams subscribed to Cam Protect so it isnât too much of a stretch of the imagination to think it might be possible. However, I donât think the technical possibilities are the constraint here. I believe the legal liability underlying the effectiveness of the device and the UL certification for its acceptance as a professionally monitored device are bigger barriers. Any device with this capability would have to be UL certified and get the blessings of regulatory agencies, the insurance industry, the Fire Prevention industry, and the First Responder community.
Another tidbit to this soup: Alexa Emergency Assist is a sort of semiautomatic smart smoke/CO detection system which is using Amazon Echo devices to listen and detect alarm sounds. The system doesnât call directly to a fire station but the monitoring center calls you and you must make a final decision how to proceed.
It is possible to build a semiautomatic monitoring system with Wyze cams, IFTTT and Pushovers app so that you would get a persistent alarm to your phone every 30 seconds and it doesnât stop until you acknowledge the alarm.
I use this same concept currently for Self Monitoring for Smoke\CO detectors. The Wyze Cams detect and send a Push Notification. The MacroDroid App monitors all incoming Push Notifications for any from Wyze with the text from a Cam Smoke or CO Alert. That macro then blows up my phone on an epic scale, regardless of itâs sleep, silent, or vibrate mode, and repeats constantly on a loop until I specifically press a button to shut the alarm off.
Unfortunately, none of that will activate if my phone is off, beyond cellular service, or not with me. And I also donât get the Insurance discount for centrally monitored Smoke\CO.
While youâre âhuntingâ right now for alternativesâŚIâll do my token push to try to convert you to Home Assistant again! There is actually a Noonlight Integration for Home Assistant. Then you can pretty much use any sensors from any companies without getting stuck like this ever again and having total flexibility in almost every possible way.
Iâve read you can do the same with Abode, Moni, and SuretyHome, though I havenât verified.
There are also integrations with a dozen other security systems if you use their sensorsâŚbut I like the idea of not being stuck with any companyâs limitations again. What happens if that company doesnât make something else that comes out that is important? Then you have to go through this all over again. However, if you get a professional monitor that integrates with Home Assistant, or something similar, then it doesnât matter. You can add random sensors from almost ANY company and it will still work fine with your security Monitoring program. You can even choose to do self-monitoring totally free, or set up your own routines and conditionsâŚlike tell it to only set off an alarm under certain conditions (ie: Sensor triggers, no recognized face detection within X seconds, your phone is in a certain location or conditional-state, etc. Unlimited options. You could even make your own at no costâŚhave it call your emergency contacts instead or have it auto-dial 911 or dispatch, no monthly fee required.
It looks like x-sense would have a UL certification but donât know how I could verify if it is true or not? Also, what is companyâs background and history? Anyway, detectors and premium+ service seems to be reasonably priced and it has automatic dispatch which should provide insurance discount?
General issue is the missing cellular backup. Ring, for instance, would have that but the starting cost is much higher.
Letâs hope Matter/Thread devices will bring new optionsâŚbut Wyze is lagging in this respect or am I missing something?
It isnât the software stopping me. Itâs the local server hardware required to run it. When they come out with a cloud based server solution with full Android control, I will gladly drink the Kool-Aid.
There is actually a Noonlight Integration for Home Assistant. Then you can pretty much use any sensors from any companies without getting stuck like this ever again and having total flexibility in almost every possible way.