Siren > Device Trigger Rule > needs Notification Sent, Recording marked and should Ring or Siren on your phone

As stated, requests in the #wishlist are of singular focus to keep things tidy, on topic, and easy for Wyze Team members to sift through the submissions. It also helps the voting feature so that you are voting on one thing at a time per thread. For more:

I’ll touch on a few of the items above:

#1. Would this acomplish this?

#2. Like this?

#3.

Have you looked at the “Rules History”? That should show you when your rules were triggered. Account > Rules > History tab.

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Hi OMGitsTony, I have a reply back to SlabSlayer that is currently Pending Approval (not sure why) but I believe it will address why this particular Wishlist item is an entire solution to the Home Security portion that deals with Sirens that are now a part of the V3 cameras. These are not individual requests for individual components, but rather an entire solution that encompasses the expectations of how a feature (Sirens) would be used and useful. I look forward to your comments once you have read my reply back to SlabSlayer.
Thanks!
Rick Leavitt (DaBassMann)

@SlabSlayer , I thank you for taking the time to analyze in detail all of the situations I have laid out and some of your alternatives are quite brilliant. I am a retired QA Mgr (20 years) for a software company in Dallas, TX. and part of my purpose there was to improve the product for both the End User and also to enhance the product by reducing it’s dependency on 3rd party solutions. We had much more control over anything we could code within our product, not to mention outside solutions changed often and usually not to our benefit.

Of my 12 cameras, spread around 2 different residences (1 in Dallas and 1 in East Texas), only 5 of them are V3’s that are capable of not only the Siren, but have an improved night resolution. So putting a V3 in my bedroom facing the wall just for the Siren is not an ideal solution. Workable, yes, but a waste of a precious resource.

This is truly a creative alternative. However, ultimately the goal should be to reduce the reliance of a 3rd party solution, to design the Siren so it can push a notification, and offer the Wyze customer a variety of Siren sounds so they don’t have to go outside of the Wyze products. By using the Person Detection, although the time range would reduce it, it would seem the chances of False Triggers from other cameras could possibly taint the actual Siren occurrences. Whereas, if ONLY Sirens were the subject, there would be no False Triggers reported.

I was not aware (until now) of the Rules History logs. Yes, that is awesome to know, although it obviously requires quite a few extra steps to obtain this information, but I will absolutely check those logs each morning, albeit not in real time,

Another brilliant alternative. This will definitely be something I’ll research to determine if there is a small device that will generate a siren type noise whenever it has power. I’ve never heard of anything like this, but I can envision something like a automobile car horn or similar…although that will probably scare the [mod edit] out of you if you are sound asleep when it fires off at 3am!

Since Wyze is entering the Home Security arena, I think they should predict how an End User would expect a solution to function. The goal of this WishList item was to improve the Siren function that was recently added in the V3 cameras. It should be a complete package that not only sounds an alarm to thwart the intruder, but it should awaken the End User and have easy access to the information that created the alarm, easy access to the video (the proof), and a record such as an email (or SMS, too) that can be forwarded to the authorities should the need arise. All this should be done in-house without the need for ANY outside 3rd party add-ons.

MOD NOTE: Post edited to conform to the Community Guidelines.

We completely agree with you, most of the functionality requested in the OP is important as should be implemented, but that’s not how the wishlist worked. Omgitstony linked some other wishlist items above, and if you vote on them and leave a comment they will be bumped higher to the top. Wyzw has limited resources, and often times there’s higher priority tasks that need to be completed first.

SlabSlayer just gave you some workarounds to use until Wyze implements the requested changes, and they are by no means permanent solutions. Best thing you can do to expedite the process is to add your vote and comments to those wishlist posts and be patient :slight_smile:

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Including @SlabSlayer , @Omgitstony , @WyzeGwendolyn

Hi IEatBeans,

The Siren doesn’t create it’s own Alert or Notification… so this WL would not be appropriate. Simply giving the current Notifications additional tones to choose from has absolutely nothing to do with Sirens.

Once again, Sirens do not create their own emails or SMS’s, and simply attaching a snapshot or photo of a different motion alert will not have anything to do with what I am suggesting.

This is not a Wishlist item and only provides the ability to see what Wyze already does, which is not going to sufficient if someone is actively triggering your camera at 3am. I responded to SlabSlayer as follows:
I was not aware (until now) of the Rules History logs. Yes, that is awesome to know, although it obviously requires quite a few extra steps to obtain this information, but I will absolutely check those logs each morning, albeit not in real time,

NONE of the existing WishList or In-Progress items addressed Sirens, much less give a fairly complete Roadmap to improving Home Security regarding Sirens. Please understand I did look through both the Wishlist and In-Progress tickets before creating this post and could not find a single one that came close to doing what I am suggesting.

Each of the different items basically depends on the others to be in place before they can be usefully implemented. I regret that my proposed solutions doesn’t fit neatly into your established way of doing things. I also understand Wyze has limited resources to allocate, what software company doesn’t?

I’m not asking for any of this to be resolved in the next 30 days, either. I’m trying to present a fairly complete picture that can be looked at by your design teams and perhaps get somewhat of a Roadmap of how to create a functional integration into your Home Security big picture. If Wyze is really honest about creating a real Home Security solution, then it needs to be a complete as it can possibly make it. As it stands, Sirens is an incomplete idea and cannot be used in its current form to actually assist the End User to truly secure their homes.

I commend @SlabSlayer for taking the time to thoroughly read through my post and actually offer intermediate alternatives. Kudos to you, Chris.

You’re free to do what you want with this post, obviously. But if you split this into “mini-threads” I believe you are doing an injustice to the Home Security solution as well as condemning it to remain a splintered and incomplete function for Sirens.

Do with it what you may. Your actions will help me determine if I spend my time trying to help make the Wyze products better.

Rick

This should be the wishlist request: Add Siren Activation to the notifications list in the Cam Settings.

Wyze is currently developing the ability for users to get different notification tones for each type of notification received. With the addition of Siren Activation to the notification list settings capability (your wish), the siren notification alert would then fall into this wishlist item as well as possibly the other two.

Now we know why it needed to be approved! :astonished::joy:

I don’t have one yet, on my to-do list, but several users have used these sirens as a workaround to the lack of an HMS Siren.

Post your wishlist request as indicated in my post above. You certainly won’t get anything you don’t ask for! :wink:

It will get approved or merged somewhere else. I don’t have a say in that. But keep it as concise as possible. I will vote for it!

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I am a community volenteer, and this forum is primarily a user to user space. That being said, Wyze don’t generally review it, although they do review the wishlist every week. I will let the mods take it from here, as they know what the best thing to do with this thread is, but if you want the most search visibility and the most votes on your wishlist request, it must be separated into multiple. You can use the forum feedback thread if you have suggestions for the forum.

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OK Rick… I caught the Avatar change. Is this a Who’s Got the Bigger Fish situation? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

My target species is a bit limited so I am at a disadvantage, although I do occasionally get some wandering Largemouths.

I see you mentioned my first name in your post. Did you catch the wordplay there?

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ROFL Chris … Not at all. That’s a really small yellowtail I caught down in Mexico a few years back, I just like that picture. I haven’t caught my “Bucket List” fish … yet. I plan on a trip to Venice, Louisiana to catch a 200# Tuna before I die!!! Thankfully my brother and I have been life long fishing buddies, and I was able to retire in 2019 on a 10 acre plot of land on Lake Fork in East Texas… known for it’s huge bass. Although there is so many bass tourney’s on this lake, I really enjoy fishing for catfish and eating my catch.

Oh yes, I caught the Chris P. Crappie right off and chuckled. We’ve worked together on several communications in the past, now I know why I trusted what you were saying… LOL … even though fisherman do tend to embellish just a bit.

OK, with all that said, I have created a separate WL for the Notification, and I will add comments to the existing ones you suggested, hopefully they will be seen and added to the main goal of each one. Somehow I fear that my comments will be missed or discarded as irrelevant since there will be no understanding of why it’s being requested. Anything else that doesn’t get addressed by existing WL’s I will create new WL posts with only one subject per. Gotta understand my skepticism that breaking these all apart will not end up with a comprehensive “goal” for Sirens.

That now begs the question, what should be done with this ticket here? Does it get deleted? Who deletes it? Should any of this text be brought over to other tickets for a more thorough understanding of the additional posts in each of the other WL? There is an awful lot of clarification in the last 24 hours buried in this ticket.

Rick

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If the new WL post is approved, you can add all the context you need by posting in that topic thread adding clarification.

This is just a discussion topic that users can read and post. It will stay here until it goes stale. No need to delete or move it. When the WL is posted, you can paste a link to it in another post here so future readers can link thru and vote.

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Because there was a part of your pending post that violated the Community Guidelines (CG), but it has since been edited by a fellow Mod to be within the CG and the post has since been published.


Your just talking about the siren onboard the V3 here right? The siren activation within rules is only a “rule action”, and needs a “rule trigger” to occur for it to activate. “Person detected” is an trigger. How would using the siren, which is only an action which is in response to something else, cause there to be no false triggers?


The siren is just a feature and function of the V3, the rest of the above comment is I believe current functionality within the app except for the email/SMS notification.

  • it should awaken the End User

Do you want the siren on the v3 to wake up the user or some other process on the phone? Achieving this is user dependent as some may hear the siren sounds from wherever the V3 is to needing their phone or device near them with the app to have some unique notification. This is where the custom notification wishlist topic could come into play. With custom notifications the “person detection” notification (since person detection is the initial trigger here) could be set to what ever would “wake up” the user, or just use the current notification system and sounds to wake up the user.

  • have easy access to the information that created the alarm, easy access to the video (the proof), and a record such as an email (or SMS, too) that can be forwarded to the authorities should the need arise. All this should be done in-house

The V3 has settings to send in app push notifications for “person detected”. Since you have person detection on the camera, that means that you have either CamPlusLite or CamPlus on the camera. Each would upload a clip of the detected and recognized event to the cloud and when you click the in app push notification mentioned earlier, that would bring you to the event clip that has on screen buttons for “share” and “download”. Clicking the share button on the event clip brings up several choices to send the clip on like sms text, email, etc, and the download allows you to save the clip to your device. How could that process be easier or improved? This is a current in-house feature and function.

The “share” function doesn’t automatically send on the event notification, you do that manually when viewing an event. That’s where these SMS Wishlist and email wishlist come into play to automatically send on the notifications via those methods.


The siren does not, but to activate the siren via a triggered rule you create, that event that you are using for your “trigger” (ex person detection) does create its own alert and notification via the device settings. Those are the notifications that the wishlist applies to. So in your own use case:

If you go into your V3 device settings and enable notifications, you will receive the in app push notifications mentioned above with the link to the event clip that you can easily send off or save. The triggered rule with the “activate siren” is supplemental to the notification which would be already occurring if enabled.


As stated above, by enabling notifications within your device settings, you will get an in app push notification with the event details, what’s detected, a thumbnail, what camera, and by clicking will bring you to the event clip. That will show you what is actively triggering your alarm automatically when the event is detected.


In response to your newly submitted wishlist item, that is as follows:

Add Siren Activation to the notifications list in the Cam Settings. Currently, Sirens are not part of Notifications so they cannot send emails or be part of the Detect AI Events list or be acted upon at all.

In the Add more actions to Rules wishlist, there was many mentions of creating custom notification messages, this was added to the list:

If implemented this could be added to this:

for an easy in house answer if created. And since you mentioned emails again, here is the link to the email notification wishlist since that is not current functionality.

The newly submitted wishlist item is now live.

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Hi Chris,
I finally had a chance to add the additional WL items for the Siren topic, they are awaiting approval. Please take a look at them once they are processed and see if there is anything you’d like to add or any points I’d forgotten to make.
Thanks for all the effort you put in discussing this with me in length.
Thanks,
Rick

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I will see these as a new post if they are approved. If they are merged into an existing topic, they will be added as the next sequential post, but will show in the latest posts list which I do review if I have time.

If you do need to add clarification, you can go to your post in the wishlist and tap the edit icon to make changes or add details. Alternatively, you can reply there to yourself or to another user to add a new post to the discussion topic.

If I have any thoughts, I will reply there as a reply post.

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So far only 1 of the 3 or 4 new WL posts has been approved.

I do have a similar but different question for you if you can… Last night a flying bug was identified as a person and set off the Siren Rule. Obviously, since Wyze is trying to be a Home Security solution, the AI needs to improve and be better at identification or there will be hundreds of FALSE Alarms.

I searched for open tickets about improving AI identification but really didn’t find anything relevant. You seem to be much better at finding those, would you send me a link to one where I can post the video, please? I uploaded the video here for you to see, turn up the volume and you’ll hear when the siren is activated.

The ai is far from perfect yet, but they do update it frequently and it really has improved! For submitting false detections, please click the “Submit this one video to Wyze” button at the bottom of the event video page, and tag it with insect. Thanks! Those submissions really do help!

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It is the weekend and the mods have tons of other submissions to look at and research. Give them some time. You will get a notification bubble on your avatar either way.

This does happen. The AI is not 100% accurate. Most of my false PD are spiders.

Because they get so close to the lens with the IR on, they take up a ton of real estate in the field, they look like a full sized object, and they get tagged, sometimes more regularly than desired. I can see why that moth got tagged.

The AI algorythims are updated on a monthly basis or more often as needed. As it has been suggested, use the Share with Wyze tool to retag the video as an insect and submit it for AI learning.

There aren’t going to be any wishlist items for general improvement if the AI model. There are those to add more specific AI ID of different objects (wildlife, etc), but for the standard model currently in place, the AI team is constantly working to improve it with the thousands of videos submitted.

All you will find in the forum is general discussion threads, like this one, about the AI. Most of the time there isn’t going to be Wyze involvement since this is a user-to-user discussion forum, so no open or closed tickets. Only Customer Service deals with those and only when there is a known bug or hardware failure. Most of the time users won’t see that unless another user posts it in a critical bug topic.

In the forum menu (triple bar :hamburger: stack), you will find the Category: Wyze AI. That will list all AI discussion topics sorted by the most recent post. You can scroll thru those to see if any meet your specific issue.

There was recently an AMA event with the AI team where they fielded questions from the gallery. @carverofchoice provides a phenomenal service by summarizing those events and posting the answers here in the forum. Worth the read:

Hope this helps!

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A couple alternatives that might be helpful to reduce false positives…

  1. Use a dim LED light away from the cam to illuminate the field just enough to be able to use Color Night Vision. This would be the IR Night Vision Off. The IR emitters will not attract insects and bugs won’t be spotlighted near the cam.

  2. Use an IR floodlight away from the cam to illuminate the field. IR Night Vision in Auto Mode, but with the IR emitters Off. This will attract the bugs away from the cam and will not spotlight them since the IR source isn’t near the lens.

  3. I know if one user who is using a V2 Motion Sensor (PIR) with the Sense Hub to activate cam recording rather than allowing the cam to record and tag based on the cam pixellation algorithms. In the same manner, the same rule can activate the siren when it is activated by the PIR to record an event. You can use the IR NV and emitters in this case, but the added IR flooding the field will increase the sensitivity of the PIR sensor.

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I did that when I first found why it was mis-identified, I didn’t know if there was a more detailed way of submitting examples. Thanks.

Yeah, that’s what I did, but those topics were all over the board. I knew it didn’t belong as a WL item.

OK, that’s brilliant. My problem was there wasn’t enough light and the pixelated night vision would fail tagging a person. Also, I have a motion detection flood light by my front door, and when it came on it flooded the area so much with white light, once again the AI would fail to detect a Person. As you could see, I have a rather long porch, and I’m thinking a night light or low level IR light will illuminate enough to let the Night VIsion identify a Person before the Motion Detection Flood light is even triggered.
If that doesn’t work well enough, I’ll look closer at your #3 suggestion. I have never used the Sense Hub before, but from your description it appears it might just be the solution I’m looking for.
Thanks!!!

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Warning up front. You can’t buy the hub as a stand alone unit. It comes with the starter kit @ $99 and comes with a HMS subscription. You can use it without the subscription, but the keypad becomes useless. Many buy the kit at the big box stores with a free 6mo subscription and never activate the sub.

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Oh, wow… I had no idea. I have liked that you have constantly offered “out-of-the-box” creative alternatives…that’s right up my alley. I’ve always tried to turn off the camera’s IR night light because it does attract so many spiders, and flying insects. Your idea about putting in independent low level lighting got my brain thinking about how and where and what is best for the camera’s view. Seriously, when I bought my first V2 cam 3 or 4 years ago, I certainly wasn’t thinking about whole Home Security. But the better the cameras have become has made me reevaluate how to strategically position and use their features. Finding someone like you with creative alternatives turns this from a silly hobby into an actual resource for protecting my household. And a rather low cost one at that. I appreciate the effort you’ve put in with your responses. Thanks!

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