Beta Testing for Wyze Cam v3 RTSP Firmware Now Available!

What I see is for a fraction of a moment, the cams would generate some bandwidth…like 0.45 KB and it’s mostly on the V2s I have for some reason… they are all RTSP… but that’s not really the concern I had.

My thing was… you know when you transfer a file from one PC to another… it uses the LAN and has nothing to do with the internet…right?..doesn’t matter how large the file is and if you have a gigabit LAN connection, that’s how fast you’re gonna transfer files.

My point was, when RTSP cameras are set, I thought, it would ONLY use LAN bandwidth as it’s being handled by the internal network…but I came to find that in order for that to be true, I would need to block internet access to the cameras to truly make them LAN devices only…but then, the wyze app won’t work haha.

So let me ask you this about Blu Iris… so you’re saying that in BL, I can disable internet to the cameras (via the router) and then use BL mobile app to view them instead of using the Wyze app?

Well…sort of. At the most basic level, Blue iris is Windows desktop software, which can also run as a Windows service. So if one had a Windows laptop, running on battery power, with nothing else connected, Blue Iris would be perfectly happy. Add a POE Ether switch and connect some POE cameras and you’d then be able to see the connected cameras in Blue Iris. If you want to see the video that BI captured on something other than the laptop’s built-in monitor, plug in another computer to the Ether switch and you’d be able to monitor and review via the included “UI3” web app. Add a Wi-Fi access point, and you could then add a Wi-Fi camera and/or connect to BI with a wireless device and use UI3 in a browser. If you want tighter integration with the mobile device and some additional features, buy the BI mobile app.

The only time Blue Iris needs the internet is if you want to be able to connect to Blue Iris from outside of you local network. For that purpose BI keeps track of your public IP address and pushes it to the mobile app so that it will always know how to phone home. You could also use the free UI3 web app from outside of your LAN, as long as you manually keep track of your home network’s public IP address. Practically speaking, the IP may not change very often, so that might work fine for non-critical use.

Blue Iris also offers bandwidth management for remote viewing, so you can choose higher quality or lower bandwidth according to your own priorities. The app is aware of when you are on the same LAN as Blue Iris, and it automatically avoids using internet bandwidth when it’s not needed.

Blue Iris has basic motion detection that can be used to trigger alerts, and you can choose to send alerts to your mobile device(s) via push notifications. The beauty of Windows software is that the storage potential is virtually unlimited (and there are no on-going costs), so most people hook up a big hard drive and record 24/7/365. In that case, the alerts make it easier to find events, but even if an event doesn’t trigger an alert for some reason, the footage will still be there. There is also some free AI integration, which can reduce false alerts caused by trees blowing in the wind, shadows, animals, (and bugs, in the case of cameras that need supplemental IR or white lighting at night).

It’s not perfect yet, but it’s constantly under development, and in my mind, it just keeps getting better. I haven’t seen anything that comes close for the same money, unless it would be a hardware NVR, and those all come with their own security holes. All cloud solutions expose the user to the internet, with little or no transparency as to exactly how much privacy is being surrendered.

I find it ironic that so many “security” solutions sacrifice one kind of security for another. One could say, “oh, it’s just amazon”, but that’s a lot like saying, “oh, it’s just Google”. Is there anyone who is not aware that Google is notorious for snooping on everyone and everything? By comparison, with Blue Iris, you are in complete control, and even accessing BI via the internet is between your own BI machine and your own remote device. There are no other servers or third parties involved. You can even encrypt the connection, if you want to. Or access via VPN, if that gives you more comfort.

Gee, I almost sound like a Blue Iris fan…I wonder when that happened…(?) I’ve been a vocal critic for a long time. Maybe it’s just that as I compare it to other solutions, it looks better to me all the time.

Where are you seeing this? You can’t adjust FPS or bitrate on the Wyze cams. Those are features of more advanced cameras. The only thing you can do on Wyze is adjust the quality of the stream you are viewing in the Wyze app - this doesn’t affect the RTSP stream - the RTSP stream is fixed (FPS and bitrate).

There are several ways to view the stream on a Wyze cam.

  1. Via Wyze app. This uses Amazon cloud to broker/authenticate, then your mobile device where you have the Wyze app will establish a peer-to-peer connection with the camera whether you’re inside the network (where camera is) or outside (i.e. on LTE on your phone).
  2. via TinyCam (Cloud). This uses pretty much the same method above, but instead you view it in TinyCam app. Same as above, either inside your network, or outside, this will work. The TinyCam dev Alexey Vasilyev reversed engineered the method Wyze uses, and implemented it in his software. Further, Wyze hired him a while back.
  3. via TinyCam (RTSP). This is no different then any other camera using RTSP; you basically point to the IP, give it login/password info, off you go. For this to work, you need to be inside your network. The Wyze cams still send telemetry and notification/alert videos to the cloud, and need to be connected in order for you to configure them via Wyze app. If you want to see the streams via RTSP from outside your network, you need to VPN into your network, or open ports in your firewall (VPN is recommended). RTSP uses the local network for the stream bandwidth.
  4. any other application DVR that uses RTSP to record the camera. Same rules/details as #wyze-cam-v3

I don’t know if the WC3s are the same, but in the past, if you had cameras ALREADY connected, and internet dropped, cameras streams would still be accessible from Wyze app, and continued to do so until you power cycles them. If they came back up and no internet, then you cold no longer see them in the Wyze app. I believe the RTSP stream always worked, internet or not though (worth to test this out).

As far as I’m concerned, being able to see the cameras via Wyze app outside the network, as well as having RTSP support so you can record locally, is the best of both worlds. If the RTSP issues get resolved, it will be a happy day! :slight_smile:

This is true, presumably you are talking about the settings on UI3 to view cameras? I think though, when you select different settings, the BI computer needs to re-encode and adds additional load on the CPU, is that not the case? Which is fine if you have a nice beefy rig. Considering the amount of features of BI, price is well worth it.

We want to use 3 ipads to use the Wyze cam software to view the streams from about 8 cameras.

Potential combinations would be 4 cameras to 2 ipads for a total 4 simaltenaous streams from those 4 cameras plus its upload.

Then another 4 cameras to the one ipad.

or 4 of the same cameras to all 3 ipads at the same time.

Currently the wyze app fails constantly to keep the streams active… will the new wyze app use the RTSP protocol so it can handle the viewing of these cameras on multiple devices without overlaoding their capabilities?

The RTSP firmware allows you to use the video stream from the wyze camera outside the Wyze ecosystem. If you wanted to stay within the Wyze evosystem you’d need to make sure your wifi network can handle the traffic from 8 cameras streaming at once, plus whatever else you have on the network at the same time. This is guessing your only using the iPads on the same network as the cameras.

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Well it has to do with the efficiency of the wyze software. If we are viewing 4 cameras on 100 devices it should not be 400 streams but only 4 streams… it is that “efficiency”, i.e., multicast or even RTSP that can be used to minimize traffic. The question is does the beta Wyze software optimize video traffic to allow for single stream multi view scenarios over IP?

I think that’s true, although I haven’t found any need to manage it from within UI3 since very early days. I was thinking about the configuration options within Blue Iris itself, but obviously there are many options…just depends what one needs.

Not re-encoding video is a beautiful thing, as is the use of secondary video streams…it makes it possible to manage a large number of high-resolution IP cameras on rather modest hardware. My personal Blue Iris machine is an old i7 2600K with (15) 4 MP POE cameras and the CPU usage is typically under 20 percent. Granted, it does have a pretty nice graphics card, which BI is able to take advantage of, but it’s all just recycled hardware from days gone by. One could say that it didn’t cost me anything to build a competent BI machine…depends how one looks at it…

Quick question… does viewing the live feed uses bandwidth? Meaning, let’s say I only have 4 cameras, but I am viewing them in 2 different computers… does that mean the bandwidth utilization would be as if I had 8 cameras?

If we’re talking about Blue Iris, Wi-Fi cameras use Wi-Fi bandwidth any time they are connected to Blue Iris, but no camera uses any internet bandwidth unless you are viewing from outside of your LAN.

The V3 uses less than 25% of the bandwidth that my 4MP cameras use…usually under 70kB/s, or about 0.5 Mbps, so 8 cameras would amount to around 4 Mbps on Wi-Fi. Whether they use any internet bandwidth depends how you view them. If via Blue on your LAN, then no internet bandwidth at all. Other software and apps, I’m less sure, but according to my observations yesterday, the Wyze app seems to use prefer LAN when it’s available.

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I wanna give iSpy a shot again… have you figured out how to get the web server going to view the cameras from a web browser within LAN on another computer?

I can’t seem to figure out.

oh ok… Im still trying out BI. I like the UI3 option because I have a monitor on another room with a firestick connected to it… I can view my cameras from its web browser. I just can’t seem to give in on the $70 price tag on it… it’s a bit high for my budget. If I can do the same with iSpy, I rather do that.

I don’t really care about recording and motion sensor and all that… I just wanna be able to watch the monitor from time to time… so paying $70 to just do that, is not good for me at this point.

Would $58 be low enough to encourage you to pay for this excellent software?

Or $60 here: Robot or human?

Now that I have one of my V3’s flashed, and with the help of others in this thread, I have the trial version of BI running and viewing that test cam (as well as VLC). I’m still on the fence with BI,

On the lower cost side of things, I am using Contacam with that V3 Cam and other non Wyze Cams on my network:

it is dontationware if you want to remove the “No Donation” text on the video feed. ($10)

Settings for my v3 test cam:
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SJ

Not sure if this is cool to post on a vendor’s page and if affiliate links will start being posted to make referral profit lol

So I gave in and paid for the full version of BI.
For a few days now I have been trying to access their forum, but I am unable to. It’s not accepting my password. I have reached out to them a few times but they don’t respond. Not liking this type of customer service so far.

Congratulations. If I had any stroke, I’d tell them to treat you well. FWIW, the forum is working for me, and I’ve received several responses from support this week, so they are there. I hope you get a response soon,

If Wyze can make their cameras work well with Blue Iris, I’m sure they could work out an affiliate arrangement with Blue Iris. Amcrest has been doing it for years…that’s where I purchased my first copy…they usually offer at a discount and they have also offered it as an incentive to buy their cameras. Wyze could do similar…perhaps offering a Blue Iris bundle deal. Or just reap the free affiliate income.

Of course, Wyze would need to actually take ownership of ensuring that their cameras work well with Blue Iris, and perhaps they are not prepared to commit to that. Having now spent a few days working with the V3, its clear that there are some significant issues. My Blue Iris has crashed multiple times, which is a big deal, because it has literally never crashed before. Early this morning, my whole Blue Iris machine locked up! Unfortunately, it wasn’t captured in the Windows event log, but the last event recorded was 6:35 AM and the last event in the Blue Iris log was this:

1 9/29/2021 7:09:54.641 AM WyzeV3 Signal: Failed to connect
1 9/29/2021 7:10:01.614 AM WyzeV3 Signal: network retry

It certainly does seem to me that there is something about the V3 that is toxic to Blue Iris.

Thanks…is there a way to resize or move around the windows on UI3?

Or maybe a way to choose the cameras you wanna see in UI3?

Not from a browser watching the UI3 interface, but yes within the local console of BlueIris. Cameras can be assigned to groups (and a camera can be in multiple groups). Once you have groups built in the BlueIris local console, you can select which group to view when using the UI3 web interface. Also, if you click on any camera view in the web interface, you will then get that one camera. Click on it again to go back to whatever group you were watching before.

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