Why is there still no integration with Home Assistant?

Update: I went through the steps exactly as you stated. The binary sensor is grayed out with a message that states “This device is not currently supported”. I don’t know what to do other than to buy new sensors from another vendor that does support the integration of Home Assistant. This is a shame as I have put so much money into WYZE. I guess one could say I was not WYZE for choosing WYZE.

Incidentally, I just had a user on Discord figure out how to integrate Wyze contact/motion sensors to Home Assistant using “Node-Red”…so this could be a possible workaround:

It sounds like an amazing option for regular sensors at least, and I might as well share it in the forums here for reference of other people who want to bring their Wyze contact/motion sensors into Home Assistant.

I’m sure this will tick off some of those that want to integrate with home assistant, but I have a suggestion. I am a new home assistant user and a long-time wyze Customer. I value BOTH local control and cloud backups. Why not add official home assistant support only to paid subscribers? This would be best of both worlds, supporting Wyze business model and providing an option for an easier and supported path to integrating the two for people like me.

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Honestly, I would 100% accept this, and honestly making it part of the subscriptions may be one of the only ways to get it to happen so they can justify devoting resources (paying employee salaries) toward making this happen). It would make me WAY more likely to continue using the subscription. However, they would have to weigh whether or not it would outweigh the anti-subscription club backlash. I think if they presented it in a reasonable way to explain that there are ongoing costs, maintenance, security, etc that would come from it, they could potentially make this work out that way. Maybe after development mostly stabilizes and slows down with very little maintenance, they could even eventually open more of it free up to the public. Then there would be benefits to everything and there would still be extra benefits to having the subscription. For example, if you’re paying for cam unlimited, you would still have all the cool AI detections that come with the subscription that aren’t in the free tier. I would probably still pay just to be able to use those as triggers, especially if their new AI search is integrated so I can have their AI search my events for custom detections and use that as triggers. If they allow full integration of their HMS system and allow us to integrate other devices into it with automations, triggers/actions, etc, I’d still pay for the HMS and it would become a lot more useful. I think they could eventually allow some access totally free and make a good case why it is beneficial to still pay the subscription.

If they do make an official integration, I would still prefer that they make most of their integration work locally where possible (for speed and reliability when there is a cloud outage), with the added benefit of cloud stuff, including things like the AI detections. For example, the current 3rd party integration allows the lights to be triggered locally and they are REALLY FAST. Faster than using Wyze rules to do something. They should keep that. They could even make it so the sensors and other things work locally instead of having to be “polled” through the cloud. Then there would be zero strain on their servers.

Also, if they do this, they should still continue to allow the free 3rd party version to work for ANYONE. The official version would just be an added benefit for those who have one of their subscription tiers.

Honestly if they did this I would be celebrating and having a huge party. :tada:

You hearing this @WyzeMatt ??? @chris12 proposes that he would be satisfied if you let some devs build a home assistant integration and limited access to it through a subscription. I would be satisfied with that too. If you guys have to justify how you would PAY for something like this, then I would accept you limiting it to subscriptions, whether at just at first or permanently if necessary to justify the development cost and ongoing maintenance/security. If you guys propose something like this right, you would probably get some others supportive of it too. I know part of the justification to not do it has always been that taking away resources to spend money on something that will not have any ROI doesn’t make a lot of sense, but if you do it this way, there could be reasonable justification to do it if your higher subscription tiers are covering the costs to build the extra bonus stuff.

It’s better than having Wyze never do it at all for anyone, period, which is how it’s been for the last several years. :man_shrugging: In that light, I’d be totally supportive of any way to push this.

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I would also pay for a subscription for a full Wyze integration in Home Assistant!

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I wholeheartedly agree with what @carverofchoice and @chris12 have stated so far. I use home assistant every single day and automates my farm at this point. I am someone with over 100 Wyze cam’s, 50 Outdoor plugs, 30 indoor plugs, 3 robovacs and the list goes on, needless to say, I am ALL IN with Wyze, and being able to integrate the smart functions of the cameras and everything else into home assistant and a live feed would be game changing. I understand the resources that have been devoted to improving the mobile app and wanting people in that app but honestly it will end up hurting you. If you want a revolutionary new paid service, having home assistant access included would be intense pressure on the competition. A fantastic rebuttal to people who would whine about it being behind a paywall would be how cheap the wyze products are! Not everyone uses Home Assistant or needs that option which is why putting the cost of that into the new subscription would be perfect for those who need it and not punish the ones who don’t need it. I have seen on many home assistant forums and posts about how wyze would be great but they don’t integrate well with home assistant without the requirement of a third party integration. @WyzeDongsheng @WyzeMatt @WyzeDave @WyzeYun I urge y’all to seriously consider this.
Sincerely,
A devoted loyal Wyze Customer

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What he said! I give y’all 6 months before I replace all of my Wyze devices (36 in total).

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It sure does not tick me off. However, while I might pay for the integration, I would want to offset the cost by eliminating the other services, as will others. The sad truth is that WYZE is WYZE enough to know that it would not generate much revenue for them as you might think. They want a closed eco-structure and the proof of this is that fact that we are talking about WYZE integration with Home Assistant in the first place. Matter will be a game changer and more and more people will ditch WYZE and choose more accommodating platforms. I myself have not purchased anything from WYZE because of their empty promised. When I bought their climate control sensors they stated that I would integrate with the WYZE thermostats. Now I realize that hell will freeze over before that happens. That broken promise caused me to doing some fancy wiring between three floors and to move the downstairs thermostat upstairs and switch wires in the basement and first floor. It is time consuming, but it works and works great.

Though I digressed, I believe the only solution will be for some geniuses to figure out how to repurpose the sensors so they can be used locally and integrate with Home Assistant, and that I would pay for. Although I mentioned only one of WYZE’s broken promises, there are a plethora of others which I do not care to get into.

In the future I will judge an ecosystem by how often updates are performed and if there software is getting dated. Home Assistant has proven that will do their best to keep our smart homes current, which is just one reason I have elected to pay for Nuba Casa subscription. There is an old saying that states; the tighter you hold on to something, the more likely you are to lose it. That is where I see WYZE headed. The sad part about this is that I really like their products but HATE the perfunctory attempt at improving their dated software and their refusal to integrate with others.

I am on that same pursuit.

I guess you missed the update on this. This was the original statement:

So they acknowledged upfront that there were some complications/hurdles that might prevent it, and then they later told us publicly somewhere (it might have been an AMA IIRC?) that they were not able to overcome some of those hurdles after all and were forced to abandon the attempt, and instead would just make this possible with the thermostat’s official room sensors. So you are correct that it is not coming for the climate sensors, though they did let us know up-front that was a possibility and then let us know when it became clear they weren’t able to overcome those hurdles. Still frustrating though. I was also really looking forward to that. I have a bunch of Climate sensors :sob:


As someone who currently has and uses Matter devices, I was initially optimistic of this. I’m not 100% convinced of this anymore though. Let me share some alternate perspectives with the community in general (this isn’t all directed to you, but general info for those interested that I can refer/link other people to later) on why Matter may not be as revolutionary and game-changing as some people suspect and why A LOT of companies have been bailing on it:

  • For one thing there are a lot of unmet expectations with Matter not living up to the initial hype and promises. One of the missing or underdeveloped promises include the multi-admin feature allowing it to work seamlessly across different platforms. This is still a total failure years after it’s officially launched and way behind schedule.
  • It also has really terrible and limited device support so far.
  • There are huge technical challenges related to memory and processing capabilities for devices to support it, making very few legacy devices backward compatible, especially for any producing lower cost devices. Matter devices are generally exponentially more expensive than other options.
  • It’s pay to play and not technically true opensource since you have to pay a huge membership fee plus yearly fees and per device (model) fees forever. This can be unsustainable for many companies. Consider the following. How is a company that makes contact sensors supposed to survive with Matter? The company has to pay a yearly membership fee plus a PER DEVICE (model) fee to maintain approval to use Matter. Once they sell that sensor, it no longer brings in new income without a subscription, but they have to keep paying their extortion fees to the Matter consortium. What happens once they stop producing and selling that device model (ie: as they iterate and create newer, better sensors)? Now they aren’t even making new money on those sensors, but they still have to pay their yearly extortion fees to keep it certified, and if they don’t, then they must remove Matter capabilities. How does that make any financial sense for any company to support Matter? It doesn’t. After a few generations of different devices or EOL’ing old models for new designs, they will either have to cancel Matter functionality on all old devices or risk that asset draining their profit margins as they’re still paying for something that is only a harsh liability draining their money for no reason. This will cause lots of Matter products to basically be useless every few years. That is horrible, but it is what Matter is going to cause due to their pay to play extortion certification model. OR companies will have to plan for this in advance and jack up prices on products really high to take this into account for several years in the future. Basically, you have 2 possible outcomes…either EVERY Matter device comes with a mandatory subscription, you will just either have to pay it all up-front in the initial hardware cost being jacked up, or an ongoing mandatory subscription from some companies’ products, or just know that within a few years your device will likely lose it’s Matter capabilities when the company stops paying the consortium the mandatory extortion fee…I mean yearly certification fee. The point is that the pay to play structure and not being truly opensource leaves Matter up for potentially being long term failure when some future protocol that is TRULY open source with no pay to play requirements is ultimately adopted…but that is not likely any time soon. This issue alone is enough to have major doubts about Matter.
  • As things have progressed, more and more companies have been back-peddling on their initial support. More than increasing support. It is a concerning trend. Each of them have different reasons/concerns, but in the end, more and more are back-peddling than are adding support. Adoption is extremely slow and remaining with high market fragmentation with fewer and fewer full commitments to the protocol. Many are opting instead to use alternative solutions that do not have as many of the above technical and financial challenges as supporting Matter would require of them. Companies can directly integrate with Alexa, Google Home, and Home Assistant relatively easily and virtually for free in the long term. Home Kit does have some financial and technical hurdles for support, but they are easier and more affordable than choosing Matter. Some of this is likely intentional from those companies (make it easier and more affordable to go through them directly instead of the more difficult and expensive route through Matter).

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I suspect that in the longer term, Matter will eventually be replaced with a REAL open source standard that is fair and doesn’t have Pay-to-Play mandates. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the ultimate decision in the long term comes from the Open Home Foundation.

And remember I currently use Matter and mostly kind of like the idea of Matter. I’m not a Matter Hater. I specifically bought the Skyconnect so I could use Matter on Home Assistant, and I have Google and Alexa Matter Thread Border Routers too…but it’s not quite as amazing as we were initially hoping. It still has a lot of potential, but it is also a HUGE disappointment and I would certainly not call it the reliable game changer it was promised to be. A lot of companies see the same thing and have concluded they can still thrive by focussing on their existing ecosystems and ensuring compatibility with the major smart home platforms already in use, and so many of them have been ditching matter, or at least still producing alternative models that don’t use Matter that are more affordable and not at risk of being made obsolete through financial extortion or continued through exponentially jacked up prices.

Anyway, I am in no way speaking for Wyze here. Wyze has actually promised that once the Camera libraries are finalized they will review/analyze the Matter requirements/libraries and decide how to move forward at that time. However, it is likely most of their older cameras and other devices will not be compatible with the memory and processing requirements to support the required libraries. It will likely require them to launch new models specifically designed to support Matter. But they will have to figure out the Financial requirements and how to continue support of the certifications for years to come, including when they stop making that model camera without making it a financial liability in the long term.

The Matter consortium has publicly stated that they are in the process of working out the camera libraries right now, and we’re hopeful there will be progress by the end of the year. I expect whenever that happens, Wyze will finally decide how to move forward. They may decide to build matter into some new devices, they may decide like other companies recent that it’s still not worth it. They may build a “matter bridge” to support some legacy devices that can’t support the official libraries, and they might not.

But my point is that regardless of whether they support Matter and the technological and financial hurdles/challenges/considerations it brings, I hope that at least after that, they will reasonably consider the alternative benefit of a direct integration with Home Assistant, which will allow them to do this free and the Home Assistant team might even HELP them build it. They already did so with direct Google and Alexa integrations, and IFTTT, so they are obviously not trying to be a totally closed and isolated ecosystem. They have made efforts to support some of the biggest/most-popular platform integrations. Home Assistant is the next biggest Wishlist they haven’t fulfilled at all yet, and even has more demand than Matter, so it should realistically be their next priority if they are living up to their “be friends with users” to listen to our feedback and desires. The community has overall voted highest on Home Assistant over anything else, including Matter, or basically anything else. The only 3 things voted higher than it have been either fully implemented (2 of them) or at least partially implemented (1 of them). So this is now the highest requested unfulfilled request.


This already exists for Wyze sensors BTW…though you have to connect them directly to Home assistant and no longer be able to use them on Wyze. I have more than a dozen Wyze sensors that work 100% locally on Home Assistant right now.

I know there has been some discussion of people finding a way to integrate Wyze sensors through the Wyze HMS hub by polling the Hub locally instead of polling Wyze cloud API. I don’t know the progress on that, but it would be awesome if they figure it out!

I have said some similar things and addressed this to some employees in the following thread. It was actually remarkably well received by the company as I outlined a lot of my concerns. I am actually pretty optimistic that they are committed to making improvements. The following post and thread is pretty long, but it is actually a very encouraging response (both publicly and privately) to some hard to hear feedback they received from me and others IMO. I have been extremely impressed:

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Like many others, I was an avid Wyze fan for the past decade and loved their technology. I have a dozen Wyze cameras in and around my home, sprinkler controllers, garage door controllers, outdoor plugs, and several other sensors. However, in the past year, I found myself selecting different products that simply fit well into my home assistant infrastructure.

I have nothing against Wyze, except that they chose to go in a different direction than they originally sold us. There are too many hoops to jump through and too many workarounds just to get things working as they should, all without any help from Wyze.

Half of my Wyze cameras are now sitting in a box in my basement after being replaced by more user-friendly cameras. The other half will be gone by the end of the year. I replaced the sprinkler control last month and am working on replacements for the outdoor plugs and garage controllers.

The saddest thing is that I was a Wyze fanboy. Now, I’m helping my family and friends move to non-Wyze products that natively fit into their ecosystems.

I understand that Wyze doesn’t care about the 60 devices in my little corner of the world, but as a Product Manager, I see the direction they’re heading and realize that it’s time to move on before I’m scrambling to implement a replacement strategy at the last minute.

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Thank you for your alternative view and I appreciate the time you spent putting It together. You have given a couple things to ponder for the future. I tried plugging the WYZE bridge into the HA Green, but to no avail. I will do more research and see if there is an alternative to utilizing my V1 sensors. I really like those little buggers.

Me too! I have dozens of the little sensors! They are so useful. I converted a bunch of them into portable smart switches using a 3D-printed bracket. That has been awesome.

That sucks that the Wyze Bridge didn’t work for you in Home Assistant Green. That is what I am using as well.Make sure that if you use a USB cable extension that it is a Data-capable USB cord. Also, I assume you added the Kevinvincent HA-Wyzesense plugin:

I followed a youtube tutorial to get mine working.

But honestly, in the last few months mine sometimes has periods where it will go down and temporarily stop working :sob: I am thinking that maybe some of the new OS or CORE updates are causing breakage with it sometimes. But it always eventually comes back.

Ah, looks like this is a known recent issue:

Someone suggested it might be related to this: