I was trying to find evidence of what I remember being called “CCTV Theater” in NYC in the early 2000s but cannot. It was a form of grassroots surveillance protest situationists used to do in front of public cams back in the day.
Happy to answer my opinion if you can explain “embedded”. I didn’t use that word, so I don’t know what context to explain it.
Second, separately if you are referring with “what should we not do” has it relaters to - pull-over-pull-out-your-phone-and-record-the-police? Do it, you might save someeone’s live. But what not do? Do not approach. No matter where or how close you are, to dissuade (run you off) and intimidate you to leave, they will “ask” you to back up or move. So don’t get close in the first place. If you can stand on someone’s private property with their permission, that’s your safest place. If you stand not on private property, Sidewalk or Right-of-way is second best, because its anywhere the public can go.
This is a great idea and leading off this, @WyzeDave you guys could create a new upgradeable “modular” camera. Make a modular model that is ready to upgrade parts for. Someone could start with a basic model and upgrade it over time with different kinds of lenses or various other things to be any level of camera they need. Want a macro lens, swap it out. A 180 degree wide angle? You can replace it with that lens option. Telephoto lens. Maybe even a motor module for panning or tilting. A modular camera could allow an indefinite number of options and customization decided by the user. Instead of having a thousand different camera models you could have one camera model capable of a thousand customizations for individual needs. Then you would just release new attachments for it over time. It could get new casings, new looks, fit in a rock, fit in a fake book on a bookshelf, looking out the spine, basically anything. A modular customizable camera might be hard to design initially, but think of the crazy cool innovation and props you’d get out of it and be able to meet all the niche wants/needs without dedicating a product to single niche because it’s customizable to meet them all.
Basically anything anybody thinks of, a modular camera could potentially meet that need with a modular housing/casing attachment or lens attachment, or other modular piece to swap out. In fact, as far as housing or casing attachments are concerned, you may even get a lot of the open source community making a ton of cool 3D print stuff for it.
Would definitely need to have rtsp as an option to get really popular by word of mouth though. But it could be another way to make Wyze go viral as hobbyists do something really cool with it, and then share online that they did it with a wyzecam, having others go buy it just to duplicate it. Like fun Halloween detection automations and such.
I LOVE this idea. I’d buy a dozen immediately to give away to friends and fam.
I think they could jump start design by simply separating a V4 into parts so we plug in. The components could connect via USB-C so a variety of Ribbon, flat or round cables could work, and they would sell Ribbon and flat of different lengths. The after-purchase accessories will outsell the camera.
Consider how many people buy 2-3 cameras and don’t buy anything else? Accessories giving flexibility would bring repeat sales. Battery pack for “the picnic or beach” where it sits 8-15 feet away without anyone “running it”.
Yeah, amazing options if they make it modular and then just keep releasing new attachments throughout the year or indefinitely. This will keep up excitement with both new AND EXISTING customers who already have the device but want the newest cool accessories for it.
I thought, yeah, I might buy something flexible like that.
Then…
…made me think of the v1 v2 early days when a lot more people were posting ingenious adaptations/extensions that sparked the imagination. Everyone benefited by that environment, I think, it was creative and fun!
Referring to the topic theme, I guess: what object would you embed wyze cam functionality into.
About ten years ago, people apparently drew a line at cam-embedded Google Glasses, shunning/shaming early adopters (Glassholes) who might be recording surreptitiously in restaurants and the like. I found it encouraging that there was still a line. Not any more, I fear.
You take a hard line on cops. I respect that and appreciate the specific advice. I know it matters.
I haven’t experienced a bad event (nor witnessed one) so I think I’m hanging on for dear life to the idea of ‘honorable public servant.’ Naive, I know, and maybe dangerous. But still.
The only reason I didn’t have one is that is was too expensive ($1,500) without enough features, and the video recording would only last for around 3 hours. I think “Glasshole” was partially due to pretentiousness that came from owning a $1500 rare thing that nobody else had, and flaunting it, rather than the fact they were basically using a phone alternative which often wouldn’t have offended people if someone was holding a phone instead in the same situation.
If someone makes a comfortable, non-bulky, affordable AR recording unit, I will get one. they can shame or judge me all they want while I have an AI that can tell me all about anything I care about with a cool AR HUD overlay and recorded alibi, etc.
Having said, there are DEFINITELY inappropriate uses of recording devices (things that are illegal). But for the most part, if a person could use a phone somewhere or take a picture or video somewhere, there’s no reason they couldn’t use AR.
I do take a hard line and a careful look at them. I’m old. Growing up, we knew all cops were good and there were a few bad ones, ones that behaved like sovereign citizens. But today’s cop are not professional policemen. They are tyrannical bullies that treat citizens as if we flew the plane into the building. Its not uncommon even now, 2 1/2 decades after that, they still refer to things as post 9/11. Heck most of them weren’t even born yet, and they behave as if it was a personal slap at them and the rest of us didn’t experience it.
But the problem is their behavior. To them everyone is suspicious. Most of them don’t know diddle about the Constitution that they sworn their oath to. They know nothing of its civil rights. Their actions, their violations of people’s rights are reflective on their training. There is a difference between learning the law and enforcing it, and following the bad training they received for a few months and they learn nothing of the law via continuous education, though the rest of us do in our professions. These days, they enforce feelings, not law. I’ve whined too long now, so going back to my cave.
Most people here probably think I am paranoid. Well, you would be paranoid too if everyone was out to get ya. (lol)
You made an excellent point about 10 years ago. Ten years ago, people could cruise in and out of buildings both private and public and serendipitously would go unnoticed while recording anything. There’s 2-3 billion more smartphones in the hands of everyone today, and that many roaming/rogue camera people taking pictures of everything. Try and think of one place today, except a bathroom, where there are no cameras watching, recording, cateogrizing, scanning facial recognition, storing, tracking and building a pattern of where YOU have been, so they know where you are going. There’s a company called Flock Safety in GA, that has contracts with 5,000 cities and PDs in 47 states - SO FAR. That are collecting faces, license plates, accessing DMV data to build a blueprint of our travels AND our cities are using OUR tax dollars to do it. Why? For the few instances in a month where one face might be loitering, tearing up a parking ticket or dumping a body in a dumpster. Is it realistic for the 100% of us to give up our privacy to make it easier for the popo to locate one person, when they wish to?
In the roughly 18 years (2007) since the first iphone when no one took selfies with a flip phone, to today, when billions of picture are taken every minute around the world, - what’s it going to be like in another 18 years? It won’t be enough to carry a smartphone with a camera. 90+% of the public will be wearing a camera to stream and store their video for security and proof that they didn’t tear up that ticket or dump that body, because we will need to just to protect ourselves from police. You will see. You (well really me,) think we can’t trust police today? They earn the hate brought down on them even today. But 18 years from now, they will use all that data they have been collecting to frame you for dumping that body, because its convenient. A child born today, will never know the privacy that we have already lost.
Which now, my rant brings me to my answer to this thread’s question? What do I want? A wearable concealable and a visible decoy camera, that streams my clicks to my storage. By the way, in another less than 5 years, there will be no place save for privacy.
Don’t get me started…the main reason I don’t already have some version of an Oculus Rift is because they banned oculus accounts and tried to force everyone to use a Facebook account for it. They said a while ago that they would probably allow people to use it without a Facebook account again, but I never bothered to check and what happens when they pull the same trick again later? Naw, I just avoid them.
Therefore, for the same reason, I didn’t even consider the Raybands. I’d probably get an Apple version before I got a Meta version and I am pretty against using Apple too. I do keep buying a used iPhone every few years just so I can help test things for people on here when needed, and recently so I can test iOS apps for the businesses I contract with for work.
While there are many reasons, these are some of the reasons I generally avoid Apple on principle
Over-priced
Lack of Customization (this is huge) and very restrictive…it’s smothering to me
Proprietary ecosystem, closed off, limited, restrictive, greedy and unfair licensing, etc.
Repair costs and limitations (and requires appointments or long wait times)
Compatibility limitations/restrictions
I’m too anti-convention/fad
Now that you understand that…and I say I’m more likely to go with an Apple version over something from Meta…you can imagine how unlikely it is that I would get the Meta Glasses. But I do have to give Meta props for their SEMI-opensource efforts they’ve contributed toward local and personal AI evolution on the opensource end of things…some of it by choice, and some on accident. That’s a great step in moving toward partial redemption IMO.