[POLL] ISP router: Good enough?

That sounds a little high to me. For talking about somebody who isn’t technically inclined, then they wouldn’t need really high-end stuff with all the advanced settings etc. as for a professional technician, I’m pretty sure it would generally not be more than $100 to $200 flat rate for basic residential setup. Possibly up to $50 to $100 per hour for specialized custom configuration. Possible things they’d help with:

Network planning and equipment selection

Physical installation and cable management

Router/modem configuration

WiFi optimization (channel selection, placement)

Security hardening (firewall rules, guest network, device isolation, password policies)

Privacy settings (DNS filtering, VPN integration, telemetry blocking)

All of which the majority of users don’t really need anyway.

I would be seriously shocked if somebody had to pay more than $100 to $300 for professional install help and that’s basically overpriced IMO.

So the rest of the cost would just be dependent on high end of a router system they need. Do they just need a single router, do they need multiple mesh routers? A lot of that is dependent on how big their home is and how many devices they plan to have. So the device cost can vary a lot and is hard to say a ballpark since it will differ four different situations. But anywhere from $200-$400 is probably pretty reasonable for most people unless you’re going to go all out for a full-on Ubiquity UniFi system like me. :joy: That’s basically toward the top end of the consumer grade situations. You can always go business class though.

I would say you could probably get full professional installation with the hardware included fairly safely for somewhere between $300-$700 for 99% of people’s needs. Maybe as little as like $150-$200 for single router system install and setup.

I co-sign this.

I wonder what type of work warranted the $1K, and whether that was a home user or a big facility.

I’m grinning reading this thread. :grin:

When was the last time anyone posting on this thread has contracted for a professional installation of a home network.

A bit of perspective :slight_smile: and it depends heavily on your location (were in the bay area).

A plumber costs $100 - $150 just to visit your house. Parts and labor are additional. Labor rate $100/hr.

An electrician is similar to a plumber. Initial visit and adding a single drop. $200-$400.

Furnace repair. $250 to replace something.

Hot water heater repair. $200 to replace something.

Auto repair. $125-$150 hourly shop rate.

HVAC. Don’t ask $$$$.

Gardner. $150/month and you keep them if you have them.

So what is my time worth? Very little at my age. But 10 years ago I would say it would be more than an electrician.

I’m leaning more towards @peepeep numbers than @carverofchoice numbers😜.

It’s only now that I realize (once again!) that Wyze focuses on America, so most of what goes on here is inherently American!

And we are talking about REGIONS, not anything that covers all classes of people.

It therefore goes without saying that you charge for your services according to where you live - the prevailing economy/lifestyle of the people. There are some people who will be in doubt about using your services if you charge less than they are used to.
It happens in my country (Kenya) too with companies. They ask for a quotation for a service and being a honest person, you get quality products and put a mark up of 10% on products and charge 100K on services (e.g. installation). Another person gets same products (or inferior ones) puts a markup of 30% and charges 200K for labor. And they will see the expensive person as the one likely to be offering “quality” :slight_smile:

So, both @carverofchoice and @peepeep are right!
The surrounding environment determines a lot.

Actually, I did have to pay for one fairly recently when my neighborhood got fiber. It was kind of required for the initial activation of the fiber account. But I want considering that.

For a little added context, I used to work for both Comcast Xfinity and for CenturyLink and was involved in selling and charging customers for professional installation of Internet, including personal modern/router. Back when I was doing it, they would only charge something like $49 extra if they had to set up your own personal hardware. I just looked it up and it looks like nowadays it’s about double that as an industry median around a flat $99 for professional install (both of my old companies do this for $99/$100). Some other companies are still only $50-$60, while at least 1 is up to $129 now.

It looks like best buys geek squad will do it for just $174.99

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/services/home-wi-fi-setup/pcmcat1522264045348.c

So, I’d say I was pretty accurately on target:

Nope nope, I’m even more solidly confident in my original pricing statement now after reviewing actual examples. My initial instincts are right on the money. :winking_face_with_tongue: (All in good fun, my friend)

You mean Water Heater, right :wink:

I now understand why when I charge some Americans $50 per hour for a job that takes 8 hours, they are happy to pay for 16hours without my prompting!

I need to move to America to do such jobs like best buys geek squad! :grinning_face:

I’ve never have (paid for tech support) There’s other things I’ve never have paid for too but that’s an other story. :blush:

I thought I remembered this guy being a very well paid installer of networks at the homes of higher net worth individuals but he self-described as a “mostly-ethical hacker” so idk.

Go with an inexpensive, small business class router (ex: Omada, Festa, etc.) and its associated switch, then set your DECO’s as AP’s and you can also setup a vlan just for your IoT things. Setup secure DNS access *HTTPS” in the router. Then you should be good to go @peepeep

Hey DC! Good to see you, man!

I’m sticking with the two Deco M9 Plus system for the moment (at good+ it’s aight.)

Some people think good+ is the enemy of good. I think it’s fair to expect good+. We all should shoot for that. :wink: