Plant seed germination timelapse challenges

I am using the Wyze Cam v3 to try to do a timelapse on azalea seeds. I grow these tiny seeds every year, and this year I decided to try a setup with a timelapse.

So far, this video is the best I have been able to produce:

It is not very good. You can barely see the seedlings.

The first challenge was the focus of the camera at distances about 20 to 30cm from the camera. I positioned the Wyze cam in such a way that I get a full screen view of a seedling tray of about 30 by 40cm. This was not in focus. I saw on youtube that I can open the camera, move the lens, or even replace the lens. Instead, I taped a pair of reading glasses in front of the camera. And that seemed to be a decent solution. Though not the best. I hear maybe Cam v2 or Cam v4 have better focus nearby. But for plant timelapses, Cam v3 without a fix is not usable seedling timelapse of plants. Maybe for larger plants, but even there it can be an issue, I magine.

My second challenge was the flickering. I am now using a capture of once every 20 minutes. But any capture rate I try, because I have an LED grow light that flickers, all my captured snapshots would be at different brightnesses. So the video would flicker. I cannot manually change exposure time or frame rate to solve this.

My solution was to use two independent grow lights, that each flicker differently. And by changing the intensities of both and trying some 20 minute captures, I finally found a setting where I was able to minimize the flickering. And this together with blending the frame rates in post, I was able to get an acceptable image of the seedling tray.

However, over time as the timelapse recorded for about 3 weeks now, the sharpness of the video has become worse and worse. Gradually, the entire image becomes more hazy. I turned everything off, let the grow tent and the lights cool, did a reset on the Wyze cam. I cleaned the glasses with ethanol wipes. But I cannot clean the lens of the Wyze Cam itself without moving it. I tried to adjust the brightness, thinking that maybe the LEDs became brighter and more efficient over time. Turning one LED down in brightness, improved the expore of the shot a bit, but now I have worse flickering again.

Then there is the biological issues. The seeds I used germinated less well than anticipated. I used substrate instead of peat to prevent algae growth and to have less bugs and critters. I used 24 hour days because the nighttime IR hours are just not helpful to a good video. Since the seedlings grow quite slow, I need a serious speedup. And having many night periods make the video not pleasing to watch. Of course, I can cut out all the night hours in my final video. I had the bad luck of having very few seeds germinate exactly in the center of my video. And the seedlings are growing much slower than normally. And then I also have critters moving around.

Not sure how to fix the haziness. I changed the lights so I will have a night period now. Maybe the seedlings prefer that. I am considering starting over with new seeds. Maybe putting the entire tray in the freezer for a week to try to kill every invertebrate in the soil. But, I also need to find a solution to the haziness issue. I need to disassemble the setup to clean the actual lens. But I don’t know why it would get dirty. I need the new setup to record properly for several months without me having to move anything.

Maybe there are some other people here with seed timelapse experience using Wyze

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Timelapse for me is a hit and miss. I have owned Wyze cams for years, starting with the V1 and have used the timelapse ‘feature’ many times on V2, V3 and V4 cameras.
I have made SURE the camera and the iPhone are on the same SSID. I have tried using both my and my wife’s iPad. Sometimes the video is there but can’t be accessed, other times the download times out. Once in a great while I will be surprised and the clip downloads successfully.

My point is, this appears to be very important, so I wouldn’t trust Wyze timelapse.

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Wow. You went through a lot of effort.

I was curious about close-up timelapse recordings but only have attempted timelapse from a distance.

I wonder if something like the bird feeder camera would work better. I seem to remember it had a macro lens wrapped over the main lens.

I have had good success with distant timelapse as long as the file size stays below 2 GB. I really like the OG cam since it includes a timelapse calculator.

Have you experimented with a longer interval? I figure much doesn’t happen when you watch plants grow. I am curious how a 1-hour interval would work.

Good luck with your work.

It is not really important, but I thought this would be a fun project to try. And I saw some people on YT recommend the Wyze cams for plant timelapses. It was either not trying at all, or to try it with a 100 euro cam. There is really no point for me to spend 500+ euro on this.

Thing is, the focus or quality of the image shouldn’t just get worse by a tiny bit over time. Something is wrong with the camera. If you look at the initial video on YT and click forward towards the end, you see what I mean. The gradual change isn’t noticeable. And towards the end, I tried to change the lighting to see if I could improve.

I have not had any challenges saving or downloading the files. I have an SSD and I only record the timelapse snapshots. 1 day creates a 15 mb file.

I don’t think the interval matters for the exposure the camera uses in timelapse mode. It is just that a 1 hour timelapse requires a few days before you can save a video and see what it looks like. Because it saved the files at a certain frame rate and the video needs to be a certain length. So saving every 20 minutes and then speeding it up as needed in video editing afterwards seems the way to go.

Just wondering if anyone here knows what is going wrong. But besides physically cleaning the lens, and there should be no reason it gets dirty, I don’t know if it is time to call it quits on the seedlings and maybe try again for flower timelapses instead.

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Actually, this is maybe a better video I made of some other seedlings:

The biology also didn’t work out for me. Apparently, the non-gravel substrate works better so far. I just thought I could get a clearer image and capture the entire seedling tray. And I expected many more seeds to germinate, making everything green. I have to rethink now if I want to use fine grey sand and oversow the seedling tray, and zoom in, for a new try. But I need to fix this hazy image problem first.

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Just my observation (JMO), but as a non-scientist, I don’t see much change in either video. I guess you have to know what you are looking for.

Do you know or have you determined the cam’s FPS?

Just wondered if 24 frames a day would provide better results?

Maybe try beans or flowers to work out background, color, lighting and haze?

Just some random thoughts, till someone else chimes in.

Not sure what change you are referring to. The quality in the first video changes quite drastically. If you go to 16 seconds, and then click to go back to second 1, you see the entire image clears up by a lot and the focus is better.

The second video, I had no issue with it becoming less clear.

There are no settings for exposure time or frame rates. It records whatever it records, given the time intervals you select. I could try to change it and record for a few more days to see if that changes something. But there is no reason why 1 capture every 20 minutes should eventually give an out of focus image.

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So it turned out that the haze was moisture on the inside of the glasses I taped to the Wyzecam. I now have replaced the lens so I no longer need the glasses. I got a 25mm one, which is too much. I can just get in focus two flower buds of a mature plant. I ordered a new Wyze which I will use with a 16mm lens. Can’t confirm if 16mm will be the ideal one. But for sure I need a bit more field of view and depth of field than the 25mm. Probably, the 25mm would be great for seed germination of a bunch of tiny seeds. But, one would need to place the camera about 1 meter away to get it in focus.

If you want to record 3d printing, a fish tank, a pet, a bird nest, plants, any of these, you need to replace the lens because it is a 2.8mm fishbowl lens that’s supposed to record your garden, street, car port, etc.

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Been a few posts here about swapping out lenses in various models, honesty a bit surprised it is that easy, but then again keeping costs low means using standard off the shelf parts, so I suppose it shouldn’t be that surprising.

Guess the main challenge is the trial and error to get the right field of view and range of focus.

The battery cam pro has a snap on wide angle/macro lens, but you can only get it by buying the birdfeeder. I’m surprised they aren’t on amazon and/or etsy yet from 3rd parties (or maybe they are).

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This thread made me think of this video I had seen. Not my video and not a Wyze camera but very cool with over 6 million views.

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