It's Finally Here - Wyze Cam Outdoor 6/23/20

TL; DR

Great outdoor camera with a novel feature (capability to take it/put it anywhere and have it record to micro SD) but some opportunities have been missed, IMHO.

The 2 main issues (for me) are:

  1. Weatherproofing is based on rubber cover. (This really should not be a thing)
  2. No continuous recording. (also should not be a thing. Should be a feature that becomes “unlocked” or “available” when the device receives external power or charges).

Detailed thoughts (sorry for the wall of text, I’m just passionate about tech):

I want to start on a positive note by saying that I really like Wyze, as a company. You guys have really been disruptive in an awesome way to the home automation and especially wifi cam industry by setting yourselves apart as 1. extremely social with customers and 2. selling value based, inexpensive devices. So, thank you! It’s obvious how many manuf. had had to drop their device prices because people are discovering your company every day and buying your products. I have supported and continue to support your company by purchasing and recommending your product(s).

That being said, I think you’ve missed the mark a bit with the Wyze Cam Outdoor. Plenty people are going to buy it because it’s inexpensive vs. other cameras and does have some great features, but I suspect that in a few months this forum is going to be flooded with complaining folks and folks who purchased without reading the specs/capability of the camera.

The two main issues (for me) are:

  1. Weatherproofing is based on rubber cover.
  2. No continuous recording.

I suspect that some 3rd party is going to release a case or accessory to “fix” the issue with the rubber covering, allowing people to wire the camera to solar panels or directly to power. Although this will void the warranty. Solar panels are how I made my battery-powered outdoor cameras bareable. Regarding my Blink XTs, for example, even though I intended and figured there’d be a certain amount of clips recording, it turns out that way more do/did and my camera that should last ~2 years on batteries typically went out in 12-18 months, and that is still being conservative. I can only imagine what a camera that’s slated to last 3-6 months will do.

Here, I think you should have gone the route of making the camera fully weatherproof regardless of the rubber flap OR provided some kind of rubber accessory that fits/replaces that flap for people who want to solar or directly power the camera.

Some people only think they want battery-powered cameras, imho, based on ideas they have or what they think owning one entails. My idea when getting them was; no holes through my walls or having to run long wires to outlets, I could DiY and changing batteries every 2 years? no big deal!,
The reality was, even though I live in a great neighborhood with no /very little crime (knock on wood!), I mount my outdoor cameras high enough where even the tallest person can’t just snatch it off the wall (because kids will be kids and just like some of them will run and ring your doorbell at 3am, I’m sure if a camera is within reach, someone will take it), which means I must climb a ladder to deal with them, obvious but then there was that expectation that the camera is going to last 2 years, which is what Blink XT advertises. That did not happen. It’s not that Blink lies or anything. It’s just really a really lean, conservative usage scenario only factoring a certain amount of recorded clips + camera setting and I did not set up my camera that way, not to mention I do live view the cameras now and again (which is not considered in their usage scenario either). I ended up with about 12 months on 2 and 18 months on the one that got probably 10 clips a month).

Having to change the batteries every 12 months ended up being a hassle. I imagine this with most folks, especially if they have to deal with more than 1 camera (I have one of every side of my home, so 4). In essence, with my Blink XT cameras, I had to get up on a ladder, climb to where I can comfortably reach 8-9ft and replace the batteries. I’m also scared of heights. I never had to do this with my Reolink cameras but they came with solar panels so that was a non-issue (I would not have purchased a camera slated for 6 months of battery life otherwise). You also have to think about unforeseen things like the camera software glitching or having issues. With a wired camera, you just power cycle it. With a wifi, battery-powered camera, this means getting on that ladder and taking it down to do what needs to be done. I never had issues with my Blink XTs, thankfully. They’ve never frozen or dropped off or stopped connecting to Wifi. It happened once to one of my Reolink Argus cameras and all I had to do was remove the battery and put it back on. With a sealed battery camera, this is impossible which means the camera will either need to be reset or hopefully come with some sort of reboot button. Still, it means getting on a ladder and possibly taking the camera down.

I mentioned these things in this forum back when people were begging for an outdoor camera so it’s disappointing that it was either not seen, ignored or otherwise. It’s a missed opportunity.

Regarding continuous recording, this is another disappointing aspect. Although, I’m not sure if this is hardware or software limited. If hardware limited, like, the camera will overheat when recording full time, then boo. If it is the software that is limited, then meh, hopefully, you’ll change your minds. Ultimately, I envisioned something like the Reolink Argus 2 (great everything but frustratingly inconsistent PIR) or Blink XT (free cloud recording, great features, awesome PIR, etc.) meets Wyze cam indoor (microSD for local storage, impeccable support, inexpensive, awesome features, reliable PIR, the list goes on). I was hoping for and envisioned an outdoor, ‘primarily’ battery-run but connected power supported camera with “extra abilities” once given continuous power through either a solar panel or dedicated power. Pretty much an Arlo, but cheaper and with better support :slight_smile: A camera that will run lean and efficiently while battery-powered; for example, it will detect people and general motion, can schedule recordings, etc and do pretty much what you have intended it to right now, but which open up extra options when power is attached, so at that point, it can record 24/7 and maybe unlock higher bitrate recording or something along those lines.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m still going to buy one! :slight_smile: I have a great usage scenario for it. My back porch is enclosed. We lock the door at night but a ne’er-do-well can always tear through the enclosure and break the glass sliding door so I will put a WCO within an easily reachable distance (I currently use my Reolink Argus 2 but it’s very inconsistent) - if the worst-case scenario occurs, I will be alerted instantly and police will have footage, even if the camera is discovered and destroyed.

So, yeah, some things that would have made an outstanding product were definitely missed here. If somehow Wyze manages to remove these limitations. I’m down to replace my Blink XTs. I also have to reiterate that I expect a flood of buyers’ remorse when some people discover some of these things.

Here’s what I expect/predict from some early adopters (especially people that have not read the faq/specs, etc.):

“My camera doesn’t last 3 months!!” (because it’s recording double the amt. of clips and they had no idea the usage scenario is 3-6 months @ ~20 clips per day).
“Why can’t I record 24/7 like Wyze indoor?!” (because they figured Wyze Outdoor would do the same thing as Wyze Indoor)
"So I have to take the camera down every time the batteries run out of juice and then wait 3-4 hours for it to charge?!!) (Because, again, some people don’t read the details on things they purchase).
“What? I can’t just plug the camera into a solar panel or power, but there’s a charging port?!” (I agree, future complainer, but oh well.)

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I definitely agree with you on all points! If you want to vote on a new Outdoor Cam with the ability to be plugged in while staying weather proof and have continuous recording you can do that here:Wyze Cam Outdoor V2 Ideas
I hope Wyze realizes that a lot of people want continuous recording on the Outdoor Cam and they want it to be able to be plugged in!

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Arlo’s latest generation connects power via a magnetic connector. Also has a swappable battery. However it is much more expensive.

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The video says you need to plug it into a “base station” and shows something in white that looks like two Alexa hocky pucks stacked on top of each other. The webpage for the camera does not otherwise mention it so its a confusion point for me.

Also, what happens with the other v2 Wyze cams I have? Do they work with this? Im trying to understand why I cannot use the new outdoor cam in the same fashion I use my existing cams by connecting them to my network.

If there a thorough FAQ to look at?

The base station stays in the house and connects to your wifi. The outside camera connects to the base station over a low power signal to avoid the battery going dead faster.

So excited to see this announced and so many awesome features. Clearly a lot of thought went into this. Love the completely wireless ability but I have to say I"m very disappointed. Many use cases would have the cameras mounted high up under soffits ect. Cannot understand the decision not to make this be able to support continuous power. Who wants to climb up and down ladders every few months just to charge the cameras… I’d been looking to install at least 12 outdoor cameras and I just can’t see this as being practical. Only solution I can think of would be to have the cameras continuously plugged in but to a wyze smart plug that can be left off most of the time and then turned on every few months to charge. Or am I completely missing something…?

I think its lack of waterproofing when plugged in is the problem. Because the charge port has a rubber plug to cover the hole while outside. So even with that method, they would no longer be weather proof and that’s why it voids the warranty if they are plugged in while outside. At least that’s my take on it from everything I’ve read on here.

The base station is essentially a specialized WiFi access point that only the WCO connects to. This is necessary to keep the power consumption low and extend battery life, which wouldn’t be possible if the WCO connected directly to your WiFi network like the V2s.

https://support.wyzecam.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041595331-Is-the-Base-Station-just-a-Wi-Fi-access-point-

https://support.wyzecam.com/hc/en-us/sections/360007165892-Wyze-Cam-Outdoor-FAQ

Nothing else can connect to the base station right now, V2s can continue to be used as they were before.

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Yes certainly part of the reason I suspect… Would be easy just to silicone around the plug and it could have been designed to be weather proof plugged in. Can’t see that being a big challenge. The other issue leaving plugged in and continuously charging would be over charging the battery which would leave to shortened battery life, thus my thought to put a group of these on a wyze smart plug and then just turn on to charge as needed. Certain the community will figure out some solutions no doubt. Just seems like an obvious oversight to me and don’t understand why this wouldn’t have been designed with this in mind… Beyond that this definitely appears to be a great design solution for the price

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Sorry, but that logic is wrong.

From everything that has been said the Base station is still using 2.4GHz, the power consumption is exactly the same as it would be from a 2.4GHz router. If it would have been using 900Mhz, then, yes, that would have lower power consumption, but, again, it is NOT, it is using 2.4GHz.

The actual reason they are using this seems to be to create their own ad-hoc network which is why it needs to be plugged into your main router. If it didn’t do this, and was simply an extender, then the bandwidth would have been halved, and that isn’t good.

Perhaps the lack of a waterproof power cable is not an oversight. Perhaps it is just a matter of timing and what Wyze is ready to announce and ship. These are smart guys and they likely have a few ideas that they have yet to reveal to the rest of us,

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Exactly, if it only was about the port being uncovered, then a simple 2 cent silicon grommet / gasket would have fixed it right up, to make sure nothing leaks inside.

Just like you stated, the actual reason has to do with the batteries and they chose to go with the less expensive option of not monitoring voltage & reduce the incoming charge to be a trickle charge.

That is perfectly understandable, they want the cheapest option out there, but, to tell people the actual reason is because it will lose the IP rating? LOL, quite silly.

The batteries should have been replaceable as well, look at all the other devices that do this, and they all have gaskets or grommets that hold up to being frozen solid.

Again, it is fine to go the cheap route, but, Wyze should be up-front with the reasons, and not have nonsense in the FAQ.

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Definitely hope so and remain optimistic! But dealing with overcharging wouldn’t be something one would add later on. This would require a change to the circuitry. So hopefully that’s already baked in and we just need a simple solution for a weather proof plugin method. Cheers!

It isn’t so much logic as it was a fact stated in the video. No details were provided but the power savings likely comes from less frequent contact with the base station which normally isn’t possible with WiFi. Connect-on-demand would have a similar result but has some other downsides. In any case, it’s how the Wyze team decided to solve the power issue and as a bonus it offers video backup capabilities.

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Fingers crossed.

In the meantime, I just Pre-ordered two Arlo Essential cameras which no longer “require” a base station, connect to my existing Wi-Fi APs and are part of a family of accessories that includes solar panels, swappable batteries and outdoor power cables. I’ve been waiting for this for a few years. I hope it works.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see just what will be involved in opening up and securely closing again should battery replacement be needed. I too am a bit dubious about the batteries. Could mean the life span of the product is not much different from say a cell phone were if you’re lucky you may get 2-3 years use before replacement is necessary and then it’s often not cost smart to bother. At least given the price this wont scare off some in the community from trying out different hacks to deal with these issues. And as was pointed out there may be more to come from Wyze around some of these questions :slight_smile:

Pardon? Connect on demand is possible with WiFi, that is how many smartphones turn off the radio for a set period of time and only enable occasionaly when in power savings mode. Everyone knows 2.4GHz wasn’t made to be energy efficient.

Wyze said that once the PIR is triggered, the cam makes the clip, so, yes, it is connecting on demand, but, the power requirement to activate the 2.4GHz radio is still the same be it the router or the base station. They also said it has a range of 300 ft outdoors, that is pretty much the max 2.4GHz can hit in a perfect environment, so, that shows you they aren’t doing anything special with the transmit power either.

As I said above, they created this device to be a Ad-hoc network that allows them to save clips from up to X cams, but, there is no power savings here at all as far as the outdoor cam is concerned. To the cam, it is just another 2.4GHz device it connects to.

Don’t know who you’ve your negative info from about the indoor cameras, BUT who ever it is is giving out bad info. I’m a ”charter” purchaser of their original v1 camera and have purchased at least one of their products. You can’t find a better camera at the cost of these cameras.

Prior to Wyze I had purchased other monitor cameras costing well over $100.00. Some I’ve never got to connect on wi-fi. Most were large and intrusive with low fidelity. I had to return Blink cameras because their wi-fi connection was so bad.

I have 9 Wyze cameras of each version active. Every one works great. Two of my kids each have several and love them too. I use mine to monitor our home while we are on vacations including checking while mid-Pacific Ocean on cruises.

Try one, ”Mikey” says you’ll love it.

Just remember you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time BUT you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

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Would agree. Have 12 of the v2’s, 4 smart switches and a few sensors. Every Wyze product for me has out performed my expectations and been rock steady/reliable. Amazing value. Just hope the outdoor camera will have a continuous power option in the future. Overall though this new offering is sounding like a real winner for many applications. Perhaps just not for a more “traditional” outdoor home security camera installation…

Take into account that you will only be able to sell a few Wyze products… Bulb, Switch, Surge Protector, all are 120 V only… unfortunately, Wyze tends to not think internationally… :frowning: