Thermal Night Vision

True “no light” night vision.

I used to work for a company that made night vision stuff for the military (including rifle scopes).

We made “image intensifier” which is the green stuff you see in old movies, it amplifies the light so much that headlights can do permanent vision damage if they don’t have a very fast limiter built in (which old ones do not). But “green night vision” could be used even with only a very tiny bit of moonlight or other slight ambient light.

But then we moved into thermal which is pretty amazing. Firefighter cameras, gun scopes, long range telescopes, all kinds. Yes it is black and white but can be very detailed with a good quality lens and sensor. We even started adding colors for the different heat levels so firefighters would know what is most dangerous. The main benefit of the firefighter cameras is that even thick smoke is pretty much invisible in this spectrum, can see right through it. Of course that is all commonplace these days, you can get a FLIR add on for your phone or a handheld one for checking heat escape from your house.

A real common use back then was the power companies would have them in their cars for checking transformer heat.

Then of course, when you work with a bunch of jokers, you find out that thermal cameras can:
See through black plastic bags and often clothes, especially if there are large warm round things under a shirt.
NOT see through plexiglass or glass in most cases (it is jet black)
Detect who farted
See hand prints and butt prints for 30 or so seconds after contact
Make some pretty scary looking images when you use cold water (looks like blood)

These images are from 20+ years ago, it has come a long way since then but even then, it was pretty impressive

The only camera they let me bring home to play with (aka the only one worth less than $10,000) the video output was fairly low res compared to the built in screen, and the camera I hooked it up to for recording (360i camcorder) was as well, so doesn’t do it justice, but gives an idea of the capability. The images captured from a military long range camera (4’ long lens) were incredible but those were not allowed to leave the building.

Butt imprint on carpet floor (with suspected gaseous release)

thermal 1

Building taken in complete pitch black (even the clouds are slightly warmer than the sky and stand out). This was a warm summer night, had it been cold, the image would essentially be inverted, brick building and grass etc cold/dark and windows warm/white.

thermal 2

Fun with ice cubes and cold beer

thermal 3

Parking lot cold spots where the cars blocked the pavement from the sun, and some hot engines glowing. This lot is lit up with overhead lights, but that means nothing in the thermal IR range (other than the heat the lights put out which is only visible on the lights themselves)

thermal 4

Many of the others I have are not suitable for posting here :rofl:

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The company was bought by Raytheon. I can only imagine what they’re doing with our tech, which was pretty much the best at the time (FLIR had nothing on us, and still is pretty poor compared to what is available in the military sector). I would imagine the images now are pretty close to comic book level xray vision.

With this technology it was all about the “resolution” of temperature, i.e. how small of a difference it could detect. The best sensors we had at the time could see water pipes in the wall, particularly hot water ones. I’m guessing now they can probably see electrical wires and even stuff on the other side of non-masonry walls.

Start assigning colors to the levels of heat, and you come up with some pretty stunning images (nothing like starlight sensor, but there is 0 light required).

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Wyze once mentioned they could add a bunch of different lenses into the OG line, including considering a Thermal lens, but the idea was not very popular and didn’t get much interest:

I would love to have things like this though…though I am kind of a cheapskate.

When I was a kid I long wished I could buy some kind of scope that would show me heat vision so I could go into the hollow near my house and be able to see where all the snakes were so I could catch them. :joy: :snake:

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But snakes are cold-blooded :thinking:

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Every HVAC contractor, home inspector, energy efficiency auditor, etc has one these days. You can get some pretty inexpensive ones, so you could finally realize your dream. I remember there was a FLIR one that used micro-USB to plug into your phone, and it went on clearance really cheap when USB-C became standard. But attaching it with an adapter was too much risk for my phone’s USB-C port.

But the handheld ones are getting cheaper all the time. I’ve borrowed one a few times and they come in really handy, in my case for troubleshooting electronics and looking for overheating components, but also looked around the outside of my house to see anywhere I could seal up better.

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I can’t see them making it cost effective, between the special lens and image sensor (and typically internal cooling required) it would probably be a couple hundred at least, and that’s for a pretty low resolution (i.e. granularity of heat levels detected) setup.

Yeah, but I didn’t realize that at the time. :joy:

Even now I have wondered though because despite being cold blooded and relying on external heat sources to regulate their temperature, they still produce SOME heat because they are living organisms. So based on that, I have thought that I might have still been right as a kid that the right heat sensor could still detect them. It would all depend on the difference in temperatures.

Yeah, I’m sure that’s why they don’t do it. It would still be cool, but I might be too cheap to get it. :rofl:

They lay on rocks to store up heat during the day, but regardless there would almost certainly be some heat difference between them and the ground. Who knows, they might be dark (cold) on thermal when compared to the ground.

Most thermal imaging relies on differences in temperature, not absolute temperature. When you first fire one up, it calibrates using room temperature, and then detects heat differences from that. Many of them self-calibrate at periodic intervals too to make up for changing ambient temps. So as long as there is some heat difference (depending on the resolution of the camera) it will show up.

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I tried using PIR sensors and cams to catch the critter in my ceiling. I ended up sticking a Cam v2 through a hole in the drywall and using IR with pixel-change detection:

Thermal may have worked if it was sensitive enough and I had one.

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That was also my guess.

I used to use those with image intensifier tubes in the 80’s when I was in the navy. We used two different types. One was night vision goggles which like a flip-down binocular attached to a headset. Those worked pretty well but were cumbersome. As gunners, we used them for our ships defense and assault force.
The other was our big eyes night vision mounted on the bridge wings. Those were freaking amazing. It was pretty large and under just starlight, I could see everything at sea as if it was daylight all the way to the horizon. It was green tinted of course, but very clear and defined as far as the eye could see. I bet those had a large high quality intensifier tube and were pretty expensive at the time.

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We made an attachment for a standard M16 rifle scope that converted it to night vision. The original version was image intensifier then we released a thermal one. Was pretty cool. Flip a lever and the mirror moved out of the way and you had a standard day scope again.

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I have only seen thermal vision once. I met Ronnie Barrett (Barrett Firearms) in the officers club in Anniston Alabama in 1988 and he invited me to go with him and his gang to test a new scope on one of his new .50 caliber rifles. We went out to a swamp nearby and tested, it was very impressive. I loved that riffle. :grin:

Gun shop near me had a used Barrett for $8000. Came with like 100 rounds of ammo (which was worth about $800 at the time, double that now). Couldn’t justify it considering the only range around here that allows them is an hour away (well still probably couldn’t justify it anyway).

I’m guessing if it was 1988 it was a pretty large and heavy scope with a fan in it. That was the big thing about the one we built in early 2000, it was uncooled and very lightweight.

Actually managed to find the sales sheet on the two we made from back in the early 2000s. Yes we were well aware that NADS was a funny name (we also had a product called Thermal Imaging Targeting System or something like that - I won’t say the abbreviation but it’s pretty obvious).

Ronnie was quite the salesman also. He said he had a contract to make rifles for both the Army, some Marines and the Navy Seals. He “Said” that they made custom fit rifles for many of the “Shooters” based on their personal body size, arm length and so on, he explained it all in great detail over many drinks :grin:
He did very well for himself.

They had a lot of lengths of stocks which could be swapped out easily, I’m guessing that’s what he meant by “custom”. As you say, he was a salesman.

They did well enough off military contracts (pretty much every 50 cal semi-auto rifle was theirs) that they could do things like completely stop selling them to California law enforcement and other agencies as a protest for their guns being banned from civilian ownership there. I believe they did similar in other states also.

Government contracts are quite lucrative. $1000 hammers and $5000 toilet seats and the like. There was an episode of “American Greed” where these two women were selling the military generic screws and bolts from home depot for like $1000 each. They got away with it for a very long time and got a ton of money, but then they got greedy, started doing bigger and bigger invoices, it finally crossed some threshold (a really high amount) and someone finally actually looked at the invoice before blindly paying it.

But no, we have no government waste…

I just bought an AGM Seeker 25-384 thermal monocular. Pretty amazing technology. I can’t see Wyze using thermal without charging quite a bit more for their hardware. The Seeker comes with a removable/replaceable battery.