Is there a Wyze Forum T-Shirt available 👕

[habib]

@carverofchoice

Speaking GENERALLY: People who BREAK things, aren’t typically all that great at FIXING them…and generally aren’t the people you want fixing things they broke. Things to consider:

• Breaking something often implies a lack of understanding about how it works in the first place.
• Breaking and fixing often require different skills and mindsets.
• When someone breaks something, their guilt, frustration or embarrassment can often cloud their judgement and hinder their ability to fix it properly
• An improper fix can actually cause further damage that will be more complicated and expensive to resolve further down the road, particularly if there is something similar to increased design debt.

How about when Wyze breaks things? Are you saying someone else should fix whatever they break?

[carverofchoice]

In some cases I know they have had a different dev (maybe a senior dev) find and fix something that was overlooked by the person who caused it. In that case, yes. They actually do this sometimes.

However, having programming experience, I can tell you that it is sometimes something anyone can resolve, because in a way it’s less about something being “broken” in the conventional sense. Code is flexible. A small error in code can cause unexpected behavior, but it can often be resolved with a minor adjustment, which often isn’t possible with some things that are truly “broken” or ruined. For example, if you use the wrong ingredient in a dessert, you may not be able to adjust it to ever make that piece of dessert taste good, but that’s not the case with code.

Also, the term bug came from being a literal bug (moth) that was causing malfunctions in computation, and anyone can remove that moth and it will work. Similarly, sometimes anyone can fix the computational glitches.

Programming is also an iterative process with a cycle that continually repeats.

It’s technically impossible to test any code 100% to be perfect. I elaborate on that here. Really interesting mathematics to explain why devs can’t test anything 100% thoroughly:

2.22 app, Wyze cam v3 & Watch 47 firmware Beta Test 6/23/2021

Hi professional QA tester here. The quoted request is based on a misunderstanding of the nature and complexities of programing. Anyone with any professional programming or QA testing experience will explain that what is being sought here is absolutely guaranteed 100% utterly impossible for ANY company in our current situation with electronics and using programming to ever promise anyone. Let me give you a quite simple example. In the following control flow example, this “simple” program consis…

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@carverofchoice

In the following control flow example, this “simple” program consists of up to only FOUR decisions. Just 4 decisions and a loop (even with just 4 decision trees, …if you were to EXHAUSTIVELY test every possible combination of execution with a limit of only 20 cycles, then if it took the tester 5 minutes to execute each test sequence, then complete testing on this small piece of code with as few as 14 lines of code and 4 total decisions to make, it would take the testers ONE BILLION YEARS to finally test everything to be sure it was “fixed period and without exception and in all manner.” One billion years on even the absolute simplest code because even for something so simple it seems almost worthless, there are actually roughly 100 quadrillion sequences of just this stupid easy program.

If a person says, “yeah, but you can run most of the tests automatically and fast for each test case instead of a human testing each case.” Fair enough point in some cases (not always true, but we’ll pretend it is in this case). Let’s assume that each test now only takes FIVE MICRO SECONDS instead of 5 minutes. That’s a more than fair adjustment. That means complete testing on this small piece of code with as few as 14 lines of code and 4 total decisions to make, it would take automatic testing NINETEEN YEARS to finally test everything to be sure it was “fixed period and without exception and in all manner.”

So, mathematically there isn’t a professional dev alive that doesn’t have broken code.

It partially depends on the severity too. a minor bug can be a quick fix, but a major architectural clow could require significant rework and may not be suitable for the person who didn’t understand the advanced architecture in the first place.

Something might work perfectly on one computer/system/environment and fail in a different environment. Things are insanely complex and they can’t test every possible environment. It doesn’t always mean it’s broken [by the programmer] in that sense, but needs an additional iteration, but iterations always bring more complexity, so it’s a never ending cycle.

Basically, it’s really a complicated answer. Hence my qualifiers of “typically” and “generally” instead of always and absolutely.

[ssummerlin]

All of your post will not fit on a t-shirt.

[habib]

Never mind a t-shirt, all of his posts won’t fit in Encyclopedia Brittanica size volume

[peepeep]

@carverofchoice

Though I only read 80 books last year and wish I had more time for many more of the thousands on my list.

Your big book are crushing my face.

[ssummerlin]

@carverofchoice

Though I only read 80 books last year and wish I had more time for many more of the thousands on my list.

Maybe next year, spend some time trying to cure cancer or something beneficial to mankind?

[carverofchoice]

@ssummerlin

something beneficial to mankind

Hmmm…this is very subjective. Still, there are some things I do which would be fairly universally agreed to be beneficial to mankind:

• I am involved with a company whose main reason to exist is to be able to fund medical research on certain less common but very severe diseases/genetic-conditions that nobody will research at all because it’s hard to get sufficient funding for anyone to care about them (working on this happened over this summer for me).
• I’ve also been directly involved with a certain NPO for over a decade related some critical humanitarian work, though I would rather not discuss the details on here.
• Over the last decade I have helped several illiterate adults learn to read and write
• Over the last decade I helped several dozen adults attain their GED and HS diplomas.
• Does taking in a couple of rescue animals count?
• I single-handedly tracked, & found some serial burglars and gave law enforcement everything they needed to get them off the street and get everyone’s stuff back to them (even though I wasn’t actually affected by them).
• I think I’m a good dad…but I’m sure everyone tries to believe that and it’s very subjective about what makes a “good dad” but I think that can be pretty beneficial to mankind. Good Husband too. Brother, Son. I think I’m a good friend too. People need all those things.
• I volunteer and help out random strangers on here/Discord/Reddit. Not sure how much that “benefits humanity” in the long term, but even small ripple effects can have positive momentum.

I don’t know that anyone needs to do something dramatic to be beneficial to humanity. Even something as simple as taking care to have good mental health and balance in your own life, have personal responsibility/accountability, compassion/empathy, etc may not be flashy things with obvious direct causes, but many of these things make a difference in society overall just by not adding to the negativity, let alone those who always try to leave things better than they found them. If enough people at least took care of themselves, it would make a huge difference toward mankind’s benefit. I can settle for that.

Reading books keeps me grounded and anchored and healthy.

[ssummerlin]

@carverofchoice

Reading books keeps me grounded and anchored and healthy.

You are a good man, Charlie Brown.

I mean that with sincerity.

I guess no one knows our background story. Can you tell I don’t read books for entertainment? I read to gain knowledge but I did not get the reading gene my Dad and sister have. Although all of us inherited Dad’s sarcasm gene.

[Seapup]

@peepeep

Your big book are crushing my face.

Is it pick on Carver week again?

I think this is the t-shirt you’re attempting to promote:

[ssummerlin]

That is great.

Great as a t-shirt or avatar.

[peepeep]

Hey, the admiral often says he wants to eat me or smash me or run me over with his truck and I just frog I 'im and croak. Other guys say I’m loopy or Lulu or a few eggs short of a dozen and what do I do I make an omelet with what I have and serve lunch.

Carver should be the most maximal carver he can be and he does be. Anyone who does that is going to get a little pushback. What’s the beef?

[Antonius]

@peepeep

Hey, the admiral often says he wants to eat me

Maybe one of your relatives or offspring. Even the gang, possums and the freeloader MFP wouldn’t want to snack on your creaky old legs.

[peepeep]

Bone appetit! 

[ssummerlin]

@peepeep

Hey, the admiral often says he wants to eat me

Surprised you didn’t get flagged, but then I notice these ambiguities.

[Antonius]

Fresh Fried Frog Legs are tasty. @peepeep is far from Fresh.

[Crease]

@Antonius

@peepeep is far from Fresh.

That may depend upon which definition of “fresh” one uses, for example…

@peepeep

the admiral often says he wants to eat me

That could mean that the Navy Man is trying to get “fresh” with the !

[AnnWithAPlan]

Yeah, they taste like chicken.

[Antonius]

@AnnWithAPlan

they taste like chicken

The ex- Lady is making me hungry.

[carverofchoice]

That is one tough looking fancy mob boss.

[AnnWithAPlan]

Puss in white boots.