One of my v3 Cameras had the RTSP firmware on it, until I thought I see what happened when I enabled live stream on it. Poof, firmware was upgraded, despite having it set to NOT “Automatically Upgrade”. There really should be a warning in the Web UX and/or a validation should occur to block enabling of the web live stream for cameras that don’t have the correct firmware AND are configured to NOT automatically update the firmware.
Now I need to pull the camera down and go through the downgrade process. Wyze, situations like these is exactly why many of your customers don’t trust your firmware/services…
That old RTSP firmware does not support the authentication/security protocols they are now using.
But what do you mean by “enable live stream”? You watched it via web view? Or added it to the app?
They appear to have totally removed the option to disable auto updates on the Panv3, not sure if this was a mistake or is the way they’re moving to. Firmware updates are pretty much app controlled process and not the cam itself, so I’m not sure how it would have done it if all you did was try to watch it via web view (which probably would have failed using the old RTSP firmware). Are you sure you had updates disabled in the app?
But you have to be aware that when using an unsupported firmware (which it states that it is) there will be some oddities you need to deal with. Considering the app and web view probably can’t do anything with that camera other than very basic communications, it could even just be a glitch that it ignored your auto upgrade setting, or maybe it just assumed since you were attempting to connect, that you actually wanted to and thus updated to the firmware that is required to make that work…
This seems like you don’t understand how to maintain your firmware and are somehow blaming how every company in the world works… i.e. there are firmware/software upgrades ALL THE TIME to IoT devices.
I’m all for playing around with stuff and “hacking” things to do what they weren’t intended, I mean that’s half the fun. However things I want to be stable and reliable (or in the case of cheap IOTs, as stable as they can be) I stick with “stock”.
The fact that the RTSP firmware still works and hasn’t been pulled is at least a testament that Wyze wants to keep users happy. Though with the limitations and security concerns, I think @joerao might want to look into Wyze Bridge, Tiny Cam Sever, etc. Can run supported firmware and still have an RTSP stream.
I have a few V3 cameras with the old RTSP firmware and there is no update to them. You CAN’T even update them if you want to without using a µSD card. You did something.
I have no doubt that Wyze wants to keep users happy. Keeping RTSP out there certainly checks that box for a lot of folks who want it. But, by the same token, Wyze doesn’t support it. It is 100%, use at your own risk! So, use at your own risk and don’t blame the company. Pretty simple.
To clarify, the issue is not with the firmware, it works and continues to work for my needs. The issue is that enabling the live view via the web, triggered a firmware update. I’d assume this would have happened if I was on the RTSP firmware or any other downlevel firmware.
This is all fine, if there wasn’t already another conflicting feature to disable automatic firmware updates. The process they are using to enable live web streams doesn’t seem to respect that option. Fine, I’m OK with that too, but there was no warning, or information during the live stream enablement that told me my firmware was going to be updated. If I had that information, I wouldn’t have enabled it.
Again, this has less to do with the RTSP firmware, and more to do with forcing any firmware update on a camera without informing the user first, especially if its already configured to perform firmware updates manually…
That seems pretty much impossible since the web would not have even been able to communicate with the cam running that firmware. It is about 5 security protocols behind what the web view requires.
Firmware updates are done via the app. So I suppose the web could have somehow told the app that it needed to update the cam firmware in order to bring up web view. But still seems unlikely…
Given how insecure that firmware is at this point, I’d suggest again that you consider going to current firmware and using Wyze Bridge or another of the options to run RTSP using current firmware.
That is incorrect. I just verified that I can watch my two V3 cameras that are running RTSP firmware (4.61.0.3) via Wyze Web Live.
However as I said before, if you have RTSP firmware in a Wyze camera, the only way to update to current (non-RTSP) firmware is via µSD card. You can not update over the air.
Maybe we can’t do it, but Wyze just did. Not sure how you got to watch two cameras with Wyze web view, but I was limited to only one. This was my first time enabling it. The only message I got when enabling it on my camera was that it was going to reboot. I then saw my RTSP connection drop (via Blue Iris), the camera rebooted and came back with new firmware and thus my Blue Iris RTSP connect was unable to connect.
@dave27 Very curious about the “other options” you mention for RTSP. WyzeBridge and its fork(s) are not working with the newest firmware on V3 cameras. If there is an “other option”, I would love to hear more.
Again, the original motivation for posting this information was that Wyze DOES have the ability to remotely update firmware, include the RTSP version, and they are doing so without adequately informing users.
Hm thought I had seen reports to the contrary, but I don’t have a v3 or web view so obviously not positive. I may be confusing it with the mini hacks firmware which baseically makes the cams totally non functional with Wyze stuff.
I guess that begs the question of how long will Wyze allow this old and potentially risky firmware to access their stuff.
@carverofchoice is the expert on this and has given some overviews in other threads, but even if you have to run 1 or 2 firmwares back, still better than one that is many years old and using outdated security.