Standing ovation for @BillG-MN! Great information! Also everyone else offering input! All good discussion.
Wyze has built into the functionality of every Cam V3 and PanCam the ability for it to ālistenā for the sound of a smoke detector or CO monitor alarming and send a push notification if detected. This is an HMS integration. There is no real liability reason that a combination smoke\CO detector from Wyze canāt do the same exact thing on its own or integrated into the HMSā¦ As do the current market offerings for WiFi enabled detectors. The mere availability of these products from many other brands is proof of concept and capability.
I have the HMS and had my limit of 5 cams integrated into the HMS to listen for detector alarms. However that too has drawbacks. I get alerts 4 or more times per hour every time the grandfather clock or cuckoo clock chimes on the quarter hour. Proved to be too much.
While it would be nice to have a Smoke\CO detector that is centrally monitored thru the HMS by Noonlight, I would certainly still buy one today, either hardwire or battery powered, that is just WiFi enabled to send me notifications when it alarms. It beats what we currently haveā¦listening cams for any alarm. Even more desirable would be a Wifi enabled detector that is Alexa \ IFTTT compatible as are the other Wyze offerings and other brands already on the market.
I am remodeling my old house. When it comes time to remodel the central hallway outside the bedrooms, I am installing a WiFi enabled detector. I am hopeful that Wyze can come to market with one prior to that. I would like to keep my āSmartā ecosystem as small as possible but it looks like I will have to have several product lines to meet my minimal needs.
Years ago I installed a hms system but the smoke detectors were expensive and I needed six of them. Since the existing first alert detectors were all hard wired, I simply wired one of them the the reed switch of a door entry sensor. If any smoke detector goes off they all do. So any smoke detected triggers the door sensor . All I had to do was specify in the configuration the that door sensor is a fire alarm
All Wyze needs to do to support this is allow a door sensor to be configure to indicate fire alarm instead in intrusion alarm. Only firmware support needed.
Very simple. Iāll bet if they chose to do this it could be implemented in a very short time.
You realize, Iām sure, that the building codes apply equally to commercial and residential construction, right? And that a manufacturer which builds product for either market must meet those codesā¦
So has everyone seen the email from Wyze regarding their price hike and āfutureā of HMS. By omission, they described how integrating the critical Smoke/CO detector is not in their future. So of course the nice to have included garage door opener is nowhere on the vision board. But including their sprinkler system isā¦
At least theyāre not planning to raise the price for legacy early adopters. So I really appreciate that.
We mustāve read different emails. Wyze literally told us the future plans and justification for doubling the subscription price for HMS and Smoke detector was nowhere in that monologue. The only way itās not true is that Wyze is withholding information and being less than truthful with their community.
Iām not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel on this one. And, If I did think I saw one, it is most likely that it was an oncoming train.
I also donāt see any cryptic hidden message in the lack of mentioning the Smoke/CO detector in the HMS Updates. It listed what DID get addedā¦ not what might or might not be added. If the addition of the Climate and Leak Detectors, both EXISTING, tested and proven product offerings, are just now being tied to the HMSā¦ I can only imagine how long it will be for them to tie in a Smoke/CO detector that they havenāt even developed yet.
Currently we have but 456 votes for this Make A Wish item since the thread started and we are still in the āResearchingā phase. That could well be one developer with this idea written on a stick-it note pinned up on the very bottom of their assignment board. I will assume there are more than 456 HMS subscribers out there. I doubt even a small fraction of the HMS customers even participate in the Forums or know there even is a Wishlist or Roadmap. Until all the HMS subscribers are introduced to all the HMS Wishlist ideas and asked to give feedback on their desire, or lack thereof, to have one of these in their HMS system, we may never get a true reading of how important it is. It might be a good idea for Wyze to send out an email to all HMS subscribers with a list of the wishlist items to vote on so that they can all be introduced to the Wyze Forum and to vote on their top 5 or 10 wishlist items.
At any rate, I am going to move forward and purchase a different brand that meets my needs. I canāt wait on Wyze. To everyone who has provided great feedback and votedā¦ good luck!
Well I hope Wyze surprises me. No, shocks me, particularly since the last the products have been a sequel and 2 random things one of which seems to have caused more issues than it solved. I hope smoke detector is in the wild being tested as I type. But smoke detector has only been on wishlist nearly 3 years. And @SlabSlayer makes a good point, smoke detector isnāt even the top vote getter for HMSā¦ soooā¦
Iāve only been a wyze customer for a year or so, and so far happy with most of the products Iāve purchased, save for product order fulfillment itself.
Can you tell me which brand integrates fire/smoke with the rest of their home system? Iām coming up short when I look. Initially, I thought Nest might, it doesnāt sound like they do.
This is the one component I need to move over to the HMS from my current one. I just need Noonlight to be informed of any potential fire or CO alarms so they can reach out to me or get fire department to come out. What I still donāt get is why they canāt use the cameraās which listen for the standard fire or co alarm signal to let noonlight know something might be wrong.
What I still donāt get is why they canāt use the cameraās which listen for the
standard fire or co alarm signal to let noonlight know something might be wrong.
Iāve wondered this as well and it may be about the certification/liability issues?
Perhaps Wyze should improve the camās detection capabilities. For instance, Ring alarm sound detector installation process have a training part where you play the alarm sound to the detector.
Wyze cam recognizes CO/smoke alarm sounds quite well if you have several interconnected detectors and several cams.
Sometimes you may even get false positives, too. For instance, a few months ago I turned Wyze HMS on and one of the cameras recognized sense hubās bleeping as smoke alarm.
With IFTTT applets you can alert Noonlight when Wyze cam detects CO or smoke alarm sounds BUT there is an issue, though. Noonlight operator only receives āgeneralā alert signal, no fire alarm signal. At least that is what they told me when I was testing it. Again, this may be because of the missing certification?
There are also IFTTT applets that send CO and smoke alerts to Pushover app. I use that with Android devices. You can configure this so that your phone persistently alerts every 30 seconds until you acknowledge it even though you would have do not disturb on. I guess this is quite the same as critical alert on iPhones?
The case may be that Wyzeās plan is to upgrade/update the sense hub or release a new model to support Matter/Thread? Wyze is a member of the Connectivity Alliance.
In this way they could exploit third party (cerified) detectors or Wyzeās customers could use such detectors provided that Wyze supports it.
Were you able to design and install the ADT system, or did they require their trained people to do it? Just a wild guess, it did not use wifi. So many here seem to be asking for wifi based solutions. With power outages, routers needing resets, AWS outages and DOS cyberattacks, someone putting too many devices on a cheap router, or just someone knocking the router wall wart off the wall with their vacuum cleaner, etc., I wouldnāt want my fire alarm to be down during those times, would you?
For your piece of mind, Iād suggest that you have a traditional system installed. I think ADT and Brinks and some others still install them. Keep in min that up front install costs are expensive and monthly monitoring fees are considerably higher.
Iām not sure where you live, but if live in an area serviced by an electric cooperative, they often offer very reasonable rates for traditional home security. Mine offers it for $16.99/mo.
Also, BrinksHome has a similar setup as Wyze + a dedicated monitor/control device + smoke/co detector. Iām sure there are others.
If my elderly mother ever moves in Iāll end up migrating to a different setup with s/co.
Not worried about my piece of mind. Having spent the last 45 years of my life professionally designing integrated systems for buildings, I think I can handle it. I hope you donāt mind that I asked a few questions and made a few observations designed to make people think about what they are asking for.
Over and out.
@BillG-MN , I canāt tell you which brand would integrate with the rest of their home system because everyone has a different home ecosystem. And, as we already know, there are none that will integrate with Wyze. I am still a bit miffed about the very limited integration\functionality the Wyze skill provides to Alexa. The HMS is completely inaccessible. But thatās for another topic.
I would be confident saying most of us probably have hybrid smart home systems we have had to patch together from multiple different companies and manufacturers because no single company has yet to provide a whole house solution of products. I have Alexa, Wyze, GE Cync and Cloud Intelligence. But because Wyze isnāt interested in producing a detector that will integrate with the HMS, I have to spend my money elsewhere.
In my case, it MUST be Alexa compatible. This is a deal breaker for me as I have an Alexa house (she will scold me if I bring home another woman she canāt control). I canāt\wonāt use Google Home specific equipment. Also, I will not buy any products that require a central hub. One is enough with the HMS.
There are some out there who canāt use hardwired detectors for obvious power supply issues. This will limit their choices.
Some I have been researching:
First Alert OneLink Safe & Sound w\Alexa
First Alert OneLink Smart Smoke & CM
Nest Protect w\ Alexa
Kidde SMART Smoke & CM
There are probably others out there that can be used with Alexa, I just havenāt dove into the deep end yet.
Standing ovation for @BillG-MN! Great information! Also everyone else offering input! All good discussion.
