I can no longer get photos or videos of PEOPLE or DOGS unless i subscribe to the new OUTLANDISH subscription fee. What a rip off way to make customers subscribe.
Nothing has changed with the v4 - AI detections were never included. You can get videos of all movement, it just won’t be filtered down or tagged as “person” “pet” etc.
I use my v4 with no subscription and SD cards only, I get videos and notifications of any movement.
Maybe clarify what change you’re seeing? Did you replace older cams that included Cam Lite with newer ones that do not?
Change brands, Reolink has no fee for full camera abilities and much more compared to Wyze.
The 2k cams are comparable to the current Wyze cams but I prefer the 4k cameras myself, just a little bit more $$ for better resolution.
Also the compression on Wyze is excessive, where Reolink is not overly compressed.
The more often @bryonhu posts, the faster we get rtsp. 
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This is no jab at you, I’m just wondering how long before Reolink jumps on the subscription bandwagon? 
Well Wyze started out with “No Subscription required” and only lasted 3-4 years before they decided to go back on their original premise.
Reolink has been around for 16 years, so it doesn’t seem like that would be their business model.
Wyze also talked about NAS storage for the cams and other peripherals that also became vaporware…
Reolink has everything that Wyze once promised and much more.
Even the vehicle detection is superior, if a car is parked it will not be detected unless it moves and other movement in frame does Not cause a vehicle detection 99% of the time, I might get a false vehicle detection once a week at the most for same parked vehicles.
I’m very satisfied with the Reolink’s performance that I dropped Cam Plus Unlimited annual renewal last week.
The last of my Wyze cams are now on Cam Plus lite, except the two V3 pans.
Everyone eventually gets on the subscription wagon, It is a cash cow after all. Look at Adobe and other big name companies.
Even if so the cameras will continue to run as they currently do unless you update.
Reolink just passes the notification and not video, so worst case you would lose push notifications but still have the ability to send notification emails.
They do have an optional “Cloud Service” with pricing starting at FREE but that service is mostly used for cellular connected battery cams.
Unlike Wyze I seriously doubt they will go back on their business model and force subscriptions and hobble the cams if you don’t subscribe.
Only time will tell.
Is this a good place to throw a 
to the Tapo cameras? I have only a couple that I’ve tried, but I’ve been impressed with their built-in (no subscription) detection for Person, Pet, Line-Crossing, Cat Meows, etc., plus the built-in RTSP. It’s not enough to make me stop using Wyze cameras, though I’m glad there are options in the marketplace that compete with Wyze on price and features and hope that’s an incentive for Wyze to do more.
How is the vehicle detection on Tapo’s?
Does a parked vehicle cause a detection if other movement in the frame?
That’s a good question, and it’s something I haven’t ever tested. So far I’ve tried only the C120 and C121, and they have built-in Vehicle Detection and can be placed outside, but even most of my Wyze cameras are indoors. If I get motivated, maybe I’ll stick the C121 up by the Cam v4 that’s looking out a front window (facing a street) and see what happens if I turn that on. The problem with that would be that it doesn’t give a full view of the driveway (where a pickup is almost constantly parked) and there are very few cars parked in the street for that, though it does happen occasionally.
If I don’t get around to that, feel free to bug me within the next few days and prompt me to try it. It might take several days for the right conditions to occur, but I could probably test this and report back at some point.
Look at the backlash BMW faced when floating the idea of a subscription to use heated seats.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/bmw-relents-on-heated-seat-subscription.html
Yet several companies are still doing it. I helped someone pick out a new Subaru (their preferred brand) and the remote start is part of the starlink subscription. 5 years for $250 was still better than the $800 for a factory installed push button one. Most luxury brands are also following BMW’s lead on several features too (though everyone is avoiding the heated seats fiasco, that one was simply too obvious and ridiculous).
The BMW heated seats one has already achieved legend status, no car person will forget that for decades to come.
In the computer world, it is actually quite common, though people just don’t realize it. Starting with the original Intel “Core 2” processors (right before the “i” processors started) intel would simply make one processor, say 3Ghz, then program some to tell the BIOS to run it at 2.66, some to be 2.33, some to be 2.00 etc. So you were buying a 3ghz capable processor that has been simply limited by a software tag and given a different part number and lower price.
It only took people a month or two to figure out that covering 1 pin with a tiny piece of electrical tape made them run at full speed. I had one running 15+ years with that tape mod, rock solid at 3Ghz/1333 Bus for all that time when it was supposed to be 2.66/1033 bus.
They fixed the workaround, but they’ve continue to do that model.
Corporate networking is the same. Cisco ships you a router that is capable of a ton of stuff, but the throughput is limited to 50% of its capability unless you buy and install a “performance license” (you just type in a code to unlock full bandwidth). Same for hardware based encryption, security features, etc.
Cheaper to just make one item and charge people for what they use, than to maintain a bunch of different manufacturing processes.
Exactly my point, everyone is trying to capitalize on the idea.
As a freelance graphic designer I have been using Adobe products especially the holly trio, Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign my entire adult life. I used to upgrade them every two to three years as I didn’t need the latest and greatest features to do my job. Then Adobe came up with the subscription model and now I don’t have a choice but to pay more than I used to.
I used to have those (along with after effects) just for toying around with stuff. Let’s say there were many easy ways around purchasing them back in the day. It still can be done but is much more involved, and given that I hardly ever used them I don’t bother. However I do still use Acrobat 1-2 times a month, nowhere near enough to justify the monthly cost, and have a workaround in place for that one. Considering I purchased a “perpetual” one many years ago that of course stopped getting updates and wouldn’t work with windows 8+, I’m just holding them to their perpetual promise basically.
I remember back when Aldus Pagemaker was what we used when doing our high school newspaper, then it became Adobe Pagemaker, then Indesign. I don’t think my old high school could afford it at this point.
I think my most commonly used software is MS Visio for work (along with the regular office products of course). Visio alone costs more than the entire Office suite, I guess they know their target audience will pay for it no matter what. At least that’s not out of my pocket.
I do loathe the subscription model but it is the way of the world now, maybe Karma for all the pirating of stuff in my younger years.
Yeah, that was the very first software I learned to use when I moved from drafting table to computer. Second was Adobe Illustrator '88 (the version correlated to it’s release date) all on a 9 inch black and white screen 
Actually, Adobe bought Macromedia that owned PageMaker and Freehand and killed both. In Design was built with new code from ground up that didn’t and still doesn’t resemble anything like Page Maker. It was supposed to be a Quark Xpress killer and it did right after version 2. Quark went the way back machine. I’ve dealt with numerous designers, print, prepress and production houses over the years. Not to exaggerate, maybe in thousands and no one is using Quark anymore.
I don’t disagree but I never pirated anything that I used to make money with. The only software that I pirated was stuff for goofing around. Anyhow, that is all gone and done now.
Yeah I don’t remember the complete history, just that Indesign replaced pagemaker. I forgot about Macromedia having it for a while. While it wasn’t the first software I learned by far, it was probably the first one I had developed a pretty good expertise in. Our newspapers came out quite good, but it was many late nights. We had this huge CRT monitor, black and white, I want to say 21" maybe.
I got pretty good at AutoCAD in college too, and still liked to use it from time to time as it was a really handy way to lay things out exactly to scale (planning out a landscaping project, etc). But they finally locked it down pretty good and it was too much hassle to freeload anymore.
Ditto, I mean some of it like AutoCAD was useful but for the occasional extremely basic use there was no way I could afford something like that.
I’ve still managed to never pay for a Windows license since I bought the retail boxed '95 back when it came out though. I had MSDN at one job then when I left that MS Technet followed by this thing they had called BizSpark. Had plenty of keys and up until recently any win 7 and up key could be used for win 10 and 11.
Yes, they bought it from Aldus, that is when I learned how to use it way back when I was in college. The college had a computer lab for PageMaker, Illustrator and Photoshop. It was weird seeing everyone hunched over a 9 inch black and white screen trying to design masterpieces 