Important message for people using device operating systems (OS) lower than Android 7.0 and iOS 12.0:

We are just fellow users. Only Wyze could say with any certainty what if any features will break on older app versions. Eventually I would expect all of them will.

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Or, at least, the ability to keep the older version of the app and not be required to update. And yes, an archive of all older, down rev apps for various reasons.

My iPad is forever locked at OS 1.3.4 and that’s not good enough to run Sonos on

What’s going to happen to all the people with a version of Android that’s too old. Are you planning to offer refunds for the equipment they have purchased that will no longer be useful without an app?

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Welcome @gary.heard!

This does not mean the app will stop working, some features might not be available though.

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Well, one of the main changes is that the Wyze Video Doorbell is moving to a more stable call/streaming method. The older OS versions cannot support it so that entire highly requested product wouldn’t work anymore. We don’t make this decision lightly and understand that it impacts folks and we apologize for that.

I’ll bring up the APK idea but I can’t promise we’ll do that. I forget all of the discussion, but we’ve had it before and there were strong reasons to not make those publicly available. I’ll see if I can at least get one of the most recent version before the OS compatibility is changed.

We aren’t trying to trap people into purchasing new phones, we promise. There’s a reason that we held onto this compatibility though it did cause some complications on our end to do it for a long time. But when we finally had to admit that we couldn’t get the doorbell change to work on those older OS, we had to move forward with this.

The current app will continue to work but you won’t be able to update it to the newer versions if you have an OS below the cutoff. So the basic camera streaming is good to go. :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the clarifications Gwendolyn.

If people with older phones want to keep using their Doorbell, does that mean they also need to refuse to update the firmware for that device too? Or will the new firmware allow the doorbell to continue to work with both the old app and old streaming protocol as well as the new app and new streaming protocol? Or will these people have to make sure to keep older doorbell firmware on there to ensure it will continue to stream to the old app?

That won’t affect me (I always update to the newest betas of everything), but I thought it would be good clarification to make for those people who are concerned about the issue, and who may need to know if they should keep the older firmware for their doorbell too.

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I know we’re still aiming for the best experience we can make but it’s looking like we cannot fit both methods on the doorbell. So hopefully that would be something we could do but I would currently expect the newer doorbell firmware to make things weird on older apps.

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As an early adopter to Wyze, I started buying Wyze products in November 2017, roughly about a month or so after the company started shipping products. And some of those legacy products are still in active use with me. From that early time to the present I have used a de-commissioned Android phone to access the Wyze App rather than my primary phone. It is somewhat frustrating to hear that the newer versions of the App will no longer support Android OS older than 7.0, but – since November 2017, Wyze released numerous products, all requiring specialization in feature and function. It was, and is, inevitable that all those features for all those different products would someday reach the point where only more updated Android OS versions could handle the demands. I am not happy with this, but I understand why it must happen. I would like to have had more advance notice to prepare, but will find a way to to adapt.

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Easy for Android users. Apple devices probably require some hacks/jailbreak.
Many sites, like this one, keep older APKs archived. You can also back up the APK yourself from your phone:

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FYI.

I’m down to one trusted repository (APKMirror) and they don’t carry everything. :frowning:

And Google is switching off of APKs this summer. They’re going to switch to their new bundling format and stop allowing APKs except for those grandfathered to it. I’m not sure how that will affect everything in the industry, but there will be some upcoming disruption for a bit at least.

seen that, but should still be able to sideload. I think this only affects the Play Store apps

My thoughts are:

  1. Google controls the majority of the mobile app market (particularly for Android)
    • Google play has 3,800,000 apps available
    • Amazon app store has 430,000 apps available (just 11% of what Google offers)
  2. Nearly everything on Android is made for Google Play, then added elsewhere basically only as an afterthought

So if Google switches off APK, so will everyone else, including Wyze with their future updates.

Here is my concern. theverge reports:

Which may mean that it won’t work to store AAB’s on mirror sites and that sideloading will not be an option for the majority of apps anymore because most of them will not have an APK, and AAB’s are only allowed through Google Play. Therefore, if Wyze is now an AAB, you can’t take that and sideload Wyze’s newest app into the Windows Android emulator because AAB’s are google play only. We’re thus back to not being able to load Wyze on Windows anymore, unless you load one of the old APK’s which don’t support a lot of the new protocol changes and feature updates, and quite possibly may even no longer work at all (we’ll have to see).

I have a feeling that if AAB’s are only allowed to work with Google, that everyone will start only developing for Google and mirror sites will start to die off and sideloading options will be slim, etc. I fear Google is trying to choke out competition by restricting the new format to only them, and most developers won’t bother to cater to the smaller options on Android when Google controls nearly 90% of the Android App Market.

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cough Windows 11 cough

we’ll see how it plays out, I see your point to sideload for a emulator but mirroring sites like apkpure are an easy target for malware.

I was a custom rom dev for many yrs, every app on android is a apk. Google would have to change the android structure, if they don’t sideloading should be still available, at least on android.

The Wyze app would be grandfathered so they may not have to change until Google forces another update. Now the Alpha app that Wyze uses in their hardware betas, that’s another story.

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Wow I wasn’t aware of this plan at all. Thanks, carver. Yet amother tech thing to be disappointed about. Google really continues down a bad path. Terminal iOS envy.

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Yeah, they’ve been casually discussing this for a while, but days after the Windows announcement, Google dropped some big info on their new upcoming limitations with these AAB’s going into effect really soon. Maybe intentionally to put pressure on Microsoft to support Google Play too…Now if Google makes sideloading most apps nearly impossible, Microsoft may be forced to negotiate with Google for sharing profits.

I have been quite disappointed in Google lately changing things to be more limited, proprietary and trying to make people pay more. They’ve done a lot of awesome things with disrupting industries (maps, photos/videos storage, AI, and tons of things), but then start pulling some janky moves after they’ve suffocated the competition. Of course lots of businesses do this. It’s not abnormal. It’s a big reason I avoid some of them.

We’ll see what happens. Windows might get some leverage once people start enjoying some Android apps on their PC. Someone might find a good hack to sideload Google’s new AAB’s too, since they are still Android compatible.

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I did some quick reading. Apparently APKMirror already has an AAB installer. The other problem this creates is that any APKs you generate from your own installed app will be very specific to your phone, resolution, language, etc., since the Play Store (still a stupid name by the way) will now deliver only custom installations from AAB sources. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong but it seems to cripple Android as a platform.

Does this mean the mirrors now have to store even more dozens of versions for every app to cover every combination of target device specs? Sounds like a nightmare for repositories.

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so long as we can still install APK files on android it’s fine. but I guess Google will block that at some point in a future OS update in their quest for more control and power

I find too high the requirement for the OS, Android 7.0, I bought a LG G5 3 years ago and paid $ 600 in my country and came with Andoid 6.0 and just one upgrade was offered by LG to 7.0 although other regions can get 8.0, what happen if you wan to use an “old” tablet or phone for camera monitoring i.e. ? if the new version of the APP is not compatible with Android <7.0 version you won’t be able to install it anyway, there is no FTP site to download older version like happens in the PC wolrd, please consider the main lack of Wyze products is that cannot be used using a simple Web browser, you must change firmware but losing all other functions, your engineers should reconsider to include web browser compatibility to all cameras and sensors, if you are working and need to keep your eye in your home and usually work in front of a PC, is very tedious to keep on checking your mobile phone with such a tiny screen, I have many other older cameras that work nice over web browsers. Using web browser compatibility you open the possibility to use Wyze products not only from Windows, but also from Mac and Linux OSs and perhaps others too. I was considering the purchase of many other Wyze cameras and sensors but now I’m in doubt, also for the sensors you have abandoned the version one users, no sensor starter kit available anymore for a long long time, also you don’t sell the new sensor base station without the service, service for me outside the USA is useless, I need the hardware only.
Living in a capitalist paradise you many times don’t realize how difficult is for other regions of the world to get tech products that many times are required to do special customs clearance for being RF devices, also the ship costs, delays, etc, and with the no warranty option, if the product arrives defective, you cannot pay a shipping back to the USA and import the new one again to claim the warranty, please put your toes over the ground, not all users’ live in silicon valley and changes their phones every 6 months, by the way, be more ecological please!

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