Cam Pan v4 Ideas

SuperCam - pack all features into one

Alright Wyze. So 2023 is going to be year of the camera. On the heels of upgrading WCO with color Starlight CMOS sensor, you’ve managed to launch…

  1. A new Pan Cam that can be mounted upside down and is just darn right cool
  2. a 3x telephoto cam
  3. a new spotlight integrated cam

Why not take all this tech and combine into the mother of all outdoor cams? A WCOG² PanCam+.

I know, I know… The battery. Well I can tell you I have had 3 WCOs on your solar panels for a year now. None have had to be taken down to charge, even the one in high traffic area. THEY ALL STAY AT 100%!!

Keep the same WCO battery for a WCOG ² PanCam+ or put in a bigger one. Buyers know they might be going from 3-6 month battery life to probably half that. NBD because you could charge over $100 for this camera. But here is probably the best part. Let’s say it is a big drain on the battery, just offer a larger solar panel! Even the current size would probably keep an enhanced camera such as this going as long as a standard WCO would last. But a larger solar panel plus a super outdoor cam with all these other features would probably be fine and highly desirable

Think about it. You know you want to…

I’d love to seet a 4k version, local storage at a high framerate. You can do away with the IR as far as I’m concerned, the starlight sensor does GREAT!! I would also like a ZOOM lens (3-12x) would be great (3x-30x) would be better! maybe a optional DOME to mount the camera in. And as long as I’m dreaming some sort of monitor device that would let you view all your cameras from a single monitor or TV without playing games with a PC or TinyCam or rstp. Just something like a FIRESTICK or Roku device that just does the cameras. and if thats not enough a POE connection that actually conects the camera up to the internet where we can do away with spotty wifi.

4k higher frame rate
Zoom
Dome
Monitor
Hardwired internet (w/POE)

Do all this and I will replace all my existing cameras(12 cameras) on my NVR and the Wyse I just added (5 cameras)

I’m thinking of duct taping a OG Telephoto to a V3 PAN, Has anyone else tried?
Then hooking it up to one of my GOOLOO 4000A booster packs (enclosed in a suitable Zip-Loc bag). :slight_smile:
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What happens when the V3 pan can’t close?

I believe @R.Good has done this.

I’ve seen 4 or 5 people stack an OG telephoto cam on top or to the side of a Pan V3. I ran a quick search to link you to one of the examples, but they didn’t pull up for me easily.

As I recall, it works okay, though it can strain the pan tilt motor some. Most people I saw didn’t use duct tape, but some other kind of adhesive solution (double-sided tape, some kind of glue, etc…I didn’t pay close attention).

If you end up trying it too, you should post a picture/video.

I used 3M squares and a Fabric glue in my tests both came off clean, but yes in a right side up and upside down orientation, there is a strain on the motor. These were only tests and I have since removed.


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Thanks for the data point.
I was actually thinking of using 3M Scotch Extreme Fasteners.
And one of my prime uses is monitoring a tree lined driveway that is about 100’ long, so the camera does not get turned much.

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Panning is fine as related to the motor. It’s the tilt that’ll get ya. But a practical use case for sure!

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Is there any way to determine how much strain is being put on it?
Perhaps fixed multiple telephotos may be needed.

A little beyond my knowledge, but now that you mention it I wonder if a counter weight helps with strain?

I had some curtain weights at one time that were small but heavy. If I find them I might try to test that

Pan tilt product is amazing but there are a few things I wish it had.

  1. Built in battery so that the solar panel can recharge the device in the morning and not leave the camera dead at night.

  2. Detection setting that allows the motion tracking to only cover desired areas

  3. Adjustable cooldown in the way points so that the camera is not stuck in a far left or right position for 10s after movement was tracked. This is important because this leaves vulnerabilities incase something happens before the pan tilt gets to reset its position.

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I think 2023 should be the ‘year of stability’ - love the latest products, sure…but even my older products are having the same issues my newer ones are.

The cams and bulbs are really impressive.

Anything on 2.4G wireless not working on 5G wireless should be thrown out - nothing new should come out not running on 5G.

I would love to see support for putting sim cards in these cameras and allowing a live stream over t-mobile 5G for example - no wifi needed.

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This is unlikely to happen IMO. I think 5G will mostly be reserved for the higher cost “Pro” line of products. Wyze has mentioned they are looking to offer a few different choices: Entry Level, Medium, and Pro/higher end. They will almost definitely not switch everything to have 5GHz because it is more expensive and would raise costs, which is okay for the higher-end Pro category, but not so much for the entry level where they want to keep it as affordable as possible. 2.4GHz is way faster than any IoT device needs, and a lot of users even have internet bandwidth that doesn’t exceed those limits either, plus it can reach a lot farther with way better reception than 5GHz does. So I would guess that the majority of IoT devices will continue to have only 2.4GHz while the more expensive Pro Line of things will have support for both bands. That way someone who lives in an area with a lot of 2.4GHz pollution interference problems can use 5GHz products to reduce that issue. They did finally launch a device with 5GHz with the newer Video Doorbell Pro and hopefully they will continue to do that with Pro devices for those of us like you and I who think the extra cost of 5GHz is worth it.

We’ll have to see what Wyze does, but the VDBPro is a good sign this may happen, and I support that. I am just saying that I don’t think they will ever stop doing 2.4GHz when one of their primary ideals is to try to offer things as affordably as possible, so it makes for a much better Entry-Level pricing strategy.

2.4 gigahertz is so 2010, and likely to be more congested due to other applications including garage door openers, baby monitors, Bluetooth devices, microwaves, and more using the 2.4 GHz band. The radio frequencies within the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequency bands are divided into channels. Your Wi-Fi uses one of these channels to transmit your internet signal. There are 42 channels for 5 GHz Wi-Fi, while 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi has only 14. That’s why Wi-Fi traffic jams are not a big problem with 5 GHz Wi-Fi; there are more lanes to choose from.

Many routers/modems/access points broadcast in both 2.4 and 5. However to reduce security attack footprint, many will disable one or the other. With most modern devices – smart TVs, phones, game consoles, computers – all using 5, I am not seeing a reason to use 2.4 any more in my setup…except for the older wyze devices. I have a mesh system that works great and it reaches everywhere I need it to.

If I remember correctly, 5 gigahertz provides faster - up to 1 .4GB – speed. I think 2.4 does up to 450 max. So if you’re paying for a gig internet, why not use it all? I have 5 HDR+ televisions I stream videos to – usually not all at once – and those TVs are connected wirelessly. 5G is the way to go vs 2.4 for this in my opinion.

I have 40+ devices in one house on the wifi. For this reason, I feel like 5G is better for my needs.

Other people have 75-100 devices – mostly IoT – on their home networks.

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5GHz also has shorter range and worse penetration through walls.
I would most definitely not prefer 5Ghz. The camera doesn’t need the bandwidth, and does need the range.

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  1. License-tag clarity
  2. 5Ghz.
  3. An app with dark mode, of course.

Don’t misunderstand, I am aware of all of that. Additionally I am going on 300 devices all by myself, most of them using the 2.4GHz band (including over 40 cameras), so I understand all of those points. Heavy bandwidth devices like TV’s, phones, computers all definitely need 5GHz. Almost all other IoT (sensors, cameras, etc) are still 2.4GHz, and a lot more is heading there too. The new Matter standard for IoT is primarily focussed on 2.4GHz with Thread/Thread Border Routers for Smart Home Connectivity, plus Bluetooth. They will eventually do a lot more with WiFi too, but most smart home stuff is going to be pushed toward using Thread and Thread Border Routers for connectivity. I read a lot of articles that predict that within 3 years that Matter will be the primary standard for IoT with the majority of devices using Thread (2.4GHz).

As I said above, I am in no way saying that I am against 5GHz, but it will almost be impossible for a Smart Home Company to be really successful in the long term if they completely avoid 2.4GHz. Rather, a better solution is to give people an option to pay the extra cost for a Pro category of device that supports 5GHz when the speeds do not require it. A lot of people come to Wyze for Entry Level and affordability, so it would not be wise to abandon 2.4GHz at this point when the cameras only use between 10-300KB/s, but it is great that they are offering 5GHz with the latest Pro Doorbell and hopefully they will expand that. Like you, I also have 1gbps Fiber and a mesh network that covers my property, but there are many who do not have all that and don’t want to pay the extra cost for something they won’t use. Hence the great idea to offer some entry-level and some Pro which will meet everyone’s needs depending on their preference.

We all know that 2.4 goes through walls better and signal goes farther. Yes, that is true, no doubt.

We do all see that Wyze themselves are selling 6G router and router pro models now, right? The router supports over 50 devices, and router pro supports over 75 devices?

The reality is there is no limit to how many devices can be on any frequency – the limit is by your device. Most will allow 256 IP addresses, but spread that across 14 channels of 2.4? That is 18 devices per channel. I wouldn’t want that.

Like others, 2.4 is saturated in my neighborhood and buildings. Every one of these 11 SSIDs in the image below on 2.4 GHz I can see overlap. At one point, there are 7 wireless networks that overlap at the same channel. But okay. Everyone get whatever you want.

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Yes. Same issue here. 5G goes through my walls fine, but then I improved with mesh and AX.

Just single family homes without apartments.

“Best Channels: None, try 5GHz”

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