Thanks for this thought out response, you get it! We’re really gonna try to make this happen and currently evaluating resources for it, but you are correct on the business reasons that make it difficult. Mostly just a very small (yet extremely loyal and passionate) set of users that want this. But those users like you have been very good to us and we want to invest in them!
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Please please I pay each and every year I have cameras at multiple locations and not feeling locally really does suck That’s why I still keep some reolink cameras in the loop And even pay a subscription to them still for cloud. By the time I run electricity for running something locally of an NVR at the least of power. The only reason I really want it is really for home assistant integration on my control pads without using a bridge which I can imagine people using bridges are just wasting a ton of data for you and I’m sure it’s costing you more money than it would be to just implement a way for us to stream them locally that’s why having a home assistant plug in where we can access them locally even if it was a proprietary protocol with a add-on with that proprietary protocol would even do it where we could view it locally.
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Is Wyze factoring lost sales to new customers, or loss of existing customers into the cost benefit analysis here?
I imagine that many, or perhaps most, of those that see having no RTSP support as a deal-breaker are simply buying cameras from other manufacturers, so polling your existing user base would yield skewed results,
You have to ask among those that are on the fence about Wyze: How many would consider buying Wyze cameras, and potentially other products in the Wyze ecosystem, if Wyze added support for RTSP and/or Home Assistant?
Or how many current Wyze users might turn away from Wyze? I personally have a ton of Wyze products, and I am considering dumping all of it in favor of something that provides an official and full-featured Home Assistant integration.
Of course, if I do that, Wyze would also lose the recurring revenue of my Pro Unlimited subscription…
Just something to consider as you decide to invest in improving your products in this way.
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I would love to have this data! Either way we are looking at doing this very seriously right now…
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I thought they found a cure for RTSP back in the 60’s
I don’t understand, What’s the big deal. Is it millions dollars to write the program or what’s the deal. Will someone please explain this RTSP thing.
Maybe they just want to keep nickeling and dimeing us for eternity
I want RSTP on all my cameras. I’ll still be using and paying for the app so it’s not costing you anything on that end and I’d be thrilled I could see my feeds when the internet cuts out which can be quite often. When internet is out I AM BLIND and very sad that I can’t see my feeds on my PC. Thanks.
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As Dave said we are looking very seriously at doing this again, so I am glad to see everyone posting the reasons they want it and ways they would use it.
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That is exactly what I was thinking! It would be nice to not have to pay for it separately. Maybe include it with cam unlimited. That way it would draw more people to the service and reward the ones already subscribed! It’s a win-win.
Please add RSTP for free. It would get me purchasing new ones.
Could RTSP enable a way to run data cables from new or converted Wyze cameras to on site data RTSP recorders.
2 goals
1- Defeat Wifi Jammers. Allow Wyze customers / security monitoring company to see our home through a burglar’s wifi jammer attack.
2- Defeat a burglars ability to erase burglary image by taking the wyze cameras. Having a on site RTSP recorder also overcomes the Wyze security flaw of the burglar’s ability to install the camera on a wyze burner account that erases all the prior footage of the burglary on the wyze cam plus system.
I would continue to pay for Unlimited cam plus but defeating wifi jammers would be a massive value plus. It would allow using Wyze in several locations that must be wifi jammer proof.
No, the two aren’t even related.
Data transmission ethernet/WiFi is a different concern to data format. The only reason rtsp is important, is because video recorders use rtsp. If video recorders can recognize what format Wyze uses (hls?), then there’s no need for rtsp.
Please don’t just support RTSP! ONVIF is a superset of RTSP, and is much more advanced and modern! ONVIF will allow Apple HomeKit full access to all a camera’s functionality.
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I won’t be buying any more of the new non-RSTP Wyze cameras, as all my cameras lose connection via web browser viewing quite often. I need to auto refresh every few minutes just to stay connected. But not my V3’s using RSTP via Blue Iris on my local network. They are on and viewable even when the internet is broken. As long as my modem/router is on and working my V3’s with RSTP are on and working. Simple. All my cameras need RSTP to stay working and connected ALL the time when the net is down. I need to see outside my house ALL OF THE TIME not just SOME of the time. Is it really so difficult to make this happen? Does Wyze not like my money? I am very frustrated over this issue and have considered throwing all my Wyze cams in the garbage and trying a different more reliable brand. A brand that actually stays connected ALL of the time. even when the internet is off.
The business is dumb if they think people who want RTSP will pay for it as a service fee!! This is local, running on my hardware. Whether or not it should be baked into the the hardware price is something to be considered.
But here’s a business case for you to present to the leadership:
You will be opening to a market that otherwise will not buy your product. It’s not about how much existing users will pay, rather, it’s how big of the pie you’re leaving on the table for other manufacturers to grab .
I have heard a lot about RTSP over the past few years. and I have read quite a bit of the posting here from Dave’s query.
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I was interested in a summary of the benefts and any complications so I asked Google AI ..
" [what is benefit of rtsp on wyze camera. does it work concurrently]
AI Overview
RTSP on Wyze cams offers benefits like integration with various software and platforms, but it’s not ideal for concurrent use with the Wyze app’s built-in features.
While RTSP allows you to stream the camera’s video to software like VLC, I Spy, or recording to an NVR/DVR,
using it and the Wyze app simultaneously can cause video lag."
So Dave, my question to you is How will you address the video lag if used concurrently?
And anyone else here using RTSP concurrently, how have oher providers addressed this or is it insignificant?
This is a highly simplified view of rtsp but it should at least clear up a lot of misconceptions. There are many ways to store, transport and play video files. Wyze uses its own.
rtsp is a standard that has been out for a long time. As a result, many devices and utilities support it. But not Wyze. So if you’ve been in this field for a long time, you have devices that accept rtsp format. But not Wyze. These people are basically asking Wyze to support rtsp so Wyze video can coexist with whatever they have.
Other Wyze competitors implement rtsp without problems. And without “lag”.
And without extra fees!
Too many other competitors that provide RTSP as a standard feature so emphatically no, I would not pay. Only reason I would like RTSP is to use 3rd party software to bring the cam into HomeKit. My 2 v2 cams are back in a surplus stuff drawer so I’m down to just my v1 db cam. I’m guessing any implementation would not include these older devices so I’m just waiting for the db to crap out to switch a non- subscription oriented brand… unless wyze surprises me.
Yes I realize simplified. There were pages more. I was just looking for highly simplified.
Thanks for clarifying others have no lag.
And glad to hear Wyze is looking into RTSP now.
Would Wyze be able to implement RTSP/ONVIF in a Battery Cam Pro Camera, if it were connected to a Solar Panel and/or an external battery?