Person Detection Update: A New Experiment for Premium Features

Kinda, WYZE is taking advantage of open source code, I don’t know if that is supporting it or not.
The cameras aren’t a WYZE product to begin with. The original manufacturere is letting us and WYZE load our own firmware.

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@UserCustomerGwen have you (Wyze) looked into whether the Wyze Cam Outdoor Base Station be used for processing Person Detection instead of cloud processing? You mention there are complications with the edge-based/on-device computing on the cameras themselves. Does the base station have the ability to do the computing? If so, this could certainly help Wyze save on cloud costs while returning person detection to a free service… at least for users with an outdoor cam.

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If they do that, from what people have been saying lately about running hot, they will then double as portable grills. :wink:

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Can you tell me if I am on the list for free person detection? I am still getting it a of now.

It doesn’t go into effect until September. We will get a new app version 2.13.xx.

I thought this new firmware .156 removed person detection to be processed by V2 locally.

I am still on .111. for V2. The last firmware processing the person detection. How to enroll Camplus with .111? as the app does not have camplus activation.

The last firmware with xnor is 4.9.5.36 Not .111
This firmware still pushes movement detection video to wyze.
As far as I can tell Wyze then processes the video for person detection as it does for any other firmware version. It is Wyze who showing the event video on your app not the camera. Hence the xnor in the firmware is ignored. (Yes it worked for a while until Wyze had a working alternate)
Therefore it is pointless using the old fIrmware and old apps as the xnor PD is ignored and with the old apps you don’t get push PD notifications from Wyze!

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you are correct with xnor
I am thinking Wyze home brew codes build into firmware.
Fact is detection alogrithm is taken out of .156 firmware. I would think .111 still have embedded detectionusing Wyze home brew.

No they never had their own “home brew” local / embedded / edge person detection, as far as anyone knows. It was Xnor and then cloud.

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Cloud (Pilot) PD is in x.156.

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@UserCustomerGwen I’m sure someone has already mentioned it but why give if us the ability to build polygon based detection areas rather than rectangular ones? If we could have better defined areas that would be less motion events which means less video to run person detection on. Also means less useless alerts for us.

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It’s most likely built into the camera firmware which can’t be changed.

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Agree on all points! :+1:

It’s the #5 top request - you may vote for it here - it may do some good.

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Better still zoneS should be selected from a grid. Then multiple zones can be made of individual pixels or squares of multiple pixels. 4x4, 8x8 etc
Just as Reolink have done

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It wonzt be easy to store a few million detection setting in server and every setting is different.

This can only be done if the cam has the local processing power.

Wyze cam does not have enoigh rom, ram and cpu power to do the task.

Agreed! :+1: I like and have used grid zone motion detection. It seems the simplest and most flexible system to create any shape. Obviously the finer the grid the better.

But apparently a lot of people like multiple polygons or multi-point polygons. So, I’ll endorse anything better than one rectangle at this point.

I presume the current motion detection zone filtering is done at the cam level, otherwise the entire feed would have to constantly be streaming to the Wyze cloud servers for processing, yes?

So, this is something I’d really like to know the answer to - just how much more processing would a grid need over the current single adjustable polygon?

Basically, would it fit in the space and processing time freed up by xnor code removal?

My xnor firmware cams behave an awful lot like the current firmware cams, so if the xnor code is just being ignored, then what is using that space and CPU time in the current firmware? Anything useful to the consumer? Could it be used for better detection zones and momentary event filtering?

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It seems to me that CAMPlus “solves” a bunch Wishlist items so that Wyze doesn’t have much incentive to invest resources in offering them for free - unless they want happier existing customers… :wink:

  1. FF/RW in playback - get CAMPlus to save long clips with no cooldown

  2. Greater control over detection zone - get CAMPlus if you want to ignore extraneous events

  3. Ignore motion events under X seconds - get CAMPlus if you want to ignore extraneous events

  4. Direct access to SD card with D/L ability - get CAMPlus if you want long clips and no cooldown. You can download them from the cloud if you want to keep them.

  5. Mark events in playback - get CAMPlus if you want long clips and no cooldown

  6. Network attached storage - get CAMPlus to store want long clips with no cooldown. You can download them from the cloud if you want to keep them.

  7. Loss of connection notifications - future premium service like emergency button? Probably not enough demad?

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I wonder if there is hope for any of these?

  1. Multiple user permission levels

  2. Web browser interface

  3. App dark theme/mode

  4. Tablet app landscape mode

  5. SmartThings integration

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Good post. Wise even.

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For some reason that struck my funny bone square on this morning! Thanks I truly needed a reason to smile this morning! :slightly_smiling_face::slightly_smiling_face::slightly_smiling_face:

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I want to start by saying I love you guys. But I am also worried about the person detection, I do not want CMC as someone coud just notice the camera, and snatch it, so the camera will never upload the video to the server since motion was still ongoing. If fee based, can’t we just pay for person detection, not CMC?
Also, how about you have x hours of free person detection per month, you pay for additional hours? Quite a few, like me, only activate motion detection and notifications when away from home, it does not have to run 24/7, and does not have to run on every motion detected (if the camera is on, but we are home)

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WYZE changes the firmware continually.

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