# Why no Black? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cameras\ **Tags:** cam-pan-v1\ **Created:** [May 31, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232 "2018-05-31T08:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AngelArs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/angelars/32/5868_2.png) [@AngelArs](https://forums.wyze.com/u/AngelArs)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/1 "2018-05-31T08:43:15Z")
I love you guys! Your products rock, but why no **black**?   ---
**Author:** ![caalvarez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e0b2c6/32.png) [@caalvarez](https://forums.wyze.com/u/caalvarez)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/2 "2018-05-31T12:43:21Z")
#AllCamerasMatter   But seriously, the white cameras outsell black by over 5x. Look at the walls in most houses, they’re rarely dark.   ---
**Author:** ![mytechguy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/mytechguy/32/9182_2.png) [@mytechguy](https://forums.wyze.com/u/mytechguy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/3 "2018-05-31T19:13:35Z")
> "the white cameras outsell black by over 5x" Not true. I work for a major electronics retailer and almost every PTZ (_professional_) camera that we sell is black. ---
**Author:** ![DFreedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@DFreedom](https://forums.wyze.com/u/DFreedom)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/4 "2018-06-01T03:57:47Z")
I’m getting ready to buy my first camera and while the white doesn’t deter me, the black would blend in certain places. I’d like black. ---
**Author:** ![caalvarez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e0b2c6/32.png) [@caalvarez](https://forums.wyze.com/u/caalvarez)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/5 "2018-06-01T07:56:27Z")
Is the Wyzecam a professional or residential camera? I was talking about residential sales. It also depends on the purpose and market. I have integrated several thousand high-end ($3k-ish) PTZ cameras and not a single one was black–because that’s what they do in that industry.   ---
**Author:** ![robj-80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@robj-80](https://forums.wyze.com/u/robj-80)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/6 "2018-06-01T08:07:39Z")
There are aftermarket silicone sleeves that come in black for the v1 and v2. Maybe they will make one for the pan and tilt as well. ---
**Author:** ![caalvarez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e0b2c6/32.png) [@caalvarez](https://forums.wyze.com/u/caalvarez)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/7 "2018-06-01T09:17:31Z")
Keep in mind that every individual SKU you have to build, stock, and ship adds to the cost for the entire line. If you can pull off a single item that costs $20, adding a second color has a huge cost bump in relative percentage. A close friend is a logistics manager for a store with a billion SKUs, and she says for many items the handling issues are 50% of the product cost. Lean and tight has to have compromises. ---
**Author:** ![AngelArs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/angelars/32/5868_2.png) [@AngelArs](https://forums.wyze.com/u/AngelArs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/8 "2018-06-01T09:54:27Z")
> "There are aftermarket silicone sleeves that come in black for the v1 and v2. Maybe they will make one for the pan and tilt as well."   Thanks for posting this information robj-80! Appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![danieljpalmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d26b3c/32.png) [@danieljpalmer](https://forums.wyze.com/u/danieljpalmer)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/9 "2018-06-01T10:17:42Z")
I had the same question. But, I’m fine with the reasons why no black units are available. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![catcat1386](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/catcat1386/32/4302_2.png) [@catcat1386](https://forums.wyze.com/u/catcat1386)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/10 "2018-06-01T11:09:47Z")
Painted few of mine with black permanent marker. ![IMG_20180601_120606.jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/original/2X/5/511324b8b68a3400390aad3f6960db15b0046c8c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Resist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Resist](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Resist)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/11 "2018-06-01T13:30:09Z")
No black because Wyze doesn’t make the camera shell, it’s made by another company for another camera, it’s licensed hardware. ---
**Author:** ![peppercornfilm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/peppercornfilm/32/3264_2.png) [@peppercornfilm](https://forums.wyze.com/u/peppercornfilm)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/12 "2018-06-01T13:56:29Z")
I think I’ll order some matte black modeling paint for my wyze cams. ---
**Author:** ![AngelArs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/angelars/32/5868_2.png) [@AngelArs](https://forums.wyze.com/u/AngelArs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/13 "2018-06-01T15:46:34Z")
> "No black because Wyze doesn’t make the camera shell, it’s made by another company for another camera,"   If that’s true then what company makes the other camera?   > "Keep in mind that every individual SKU you have to build, stock, and ship adds to the cost for the entire line. " Keep in mind that every individual SKU that you _sell_, adds to the _profit_ for the entire line. Many people feel that white plastic just looks cheap. I guess to each their own, but many people that I’ve asked about this said that the black versions would probably _outsell_ the white version, which is true of other camera vendors. ---
**Author:** ![catcat1386](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/catcat1386/32/4302_2.png) [@catcat1386](https://forums.wyze.com/u/catcat1386)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/14 "2018-06-01T16:46:53Z")
Xiaomi > **[Xiaomi Small Square Smart Camera White: full specifications, photo |...](https://xiaomi-mi.com/ip-cameras/xiaomi-small-square-smart-camera-white/)** > > Xiaomi Small Square Smart Camera White: specs, photo, user opinions and reviews. Original Xiaomi Small Square Smart Camera White I think the hardware inside is different. Of course the Wyze app is different. ---
**Author:** ![caalvarez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e0b2c6/32.png) [@caalvarez](https://forums.wyze.com/u/caalvarez)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/15 "2018-06-01T16:58:05Z")
> Keep in mind that every individual SKU that you sell, adds to the profit for the entire line.   Yup, generally when the customers pay more, you make more profit. I run two businesses, I might have a handle on that. And we also limit customer choice because giving more choice will cost THEM more money. I think black plastic looks cheap, but don’t have a major issue with either. My existing home cams are white, off white, and black. Oh, and a cream and gray one.   ---
**Author:** ![AngelArs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/angelars/32/5868_2.png) [@AngelArs](https://forums.wyze.com/u/AngelArs)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/16 "2018-06-01T18:37:36Z")
> " > > Xiaomi > > [https://xiaomi-mi.com/ip-cameras/xiaomi-small-square-smart-camera-white/](https://xiaomi-mi.com/ip-cameras/xiaomi-small-square-smart-camera-white/)"     Is this the same Xiaomi from China that has been suspected of “secretly” stealing users’ information from their cell phones? ---
**Author:** ![catcat1386](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/catcat1386/32/4302_2.png) [@catcat1386](https://forums.wyze.com/u/catcat1386)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/17 "2018-06-01T21:26:35Z")
Are you talking about ZTE ? Xiaomi’s phones are very popular in China & India. Xiaomi also makes TV, smart things, … ---
**Author:** ![xcriosx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/d07c76/32.png) [@xcriosx](https://forums.wyze.com/u/xcriosx)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/18 "2018-06-02T10:09:37Z")
Ah I see you found another company that makes a look alike, I seen just another company last night called ismartalarm, but may just either be another company with their own models , copying models, or have a contract and allowed to make them. Thing is they are more on cost and was nice to see a black camera. [https://www.ismartalarm.com/](https://www.ismartalarm.com/)   Even though I understand what Carlos was explaining, one has to know each person need is always going to be different on whether they need white, black, or another color, each surrounding whether indoors or outdoors is always going to be different on what is needed. If one does not sell that color, one can always improvise. ---
**Author:** ![catcat1386](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/catcat1386/32/4302_2.png) [@catcat1386](https://forums.wyze.com/u/catcat1386)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/19 "2018-06-02T10:25:34Z")
Wow! Very expensive! Cloud storage is much worse than Wyze’s : Free Cloud Recording - Up to 30 ten second clips (after that, they will automatically overwrite, first in first out) ---
**Author:** ![Kurelgyer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/0ea827/32.png) [@Kurelgyer](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Kurelgyer)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232/20 "2018-06-08T09:29:13Z")
I haven’t done this myself, but there is a Rust-Oleum paint made for plastic. It is available in Black. Of course, be sure to tape the lens and any holes adequately. This would probably void the warranty, but hey - $20. [Next page](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-no-black/5232.md?page=2)