# Why must I buy a Home Monitoring System with a Wyze Sense Hub **URL:** \ **Category:** Services & Integrations\ **Tags:** home-monitoring, new-product\ **Created:** [January 24, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-must-i-buy-a-home-monitoring-system-with-a-wyze-sense-hub/256444 "2023-01-24T18:32:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![brosenthal813](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@brosenthal813](https://forums.wyze.com/u/brosenthal813)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-must-i-buy-a-home-monitoring-system-with-a-wyze-sense-hub/256444/1 "2023-01-24T18:32:28Z")
I live in an apartment and do not need home monitoring. Why isnt the Wyze Sense Hub sold with out a home monitoring system. Not everyone wants to pay a monthly or annual fee especially if it isnt worth it. It seems like this is another money grab by Wyze. ---
**Author:** ![carverofchoice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/carverofchoice/32/107068_2.png) [@carverofchoice](https://forums.wyze.com/u/carverofchoice)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-must-i-buy-a-home-monitoring-system-with-a-wyze-sense-hub/256444/2 "2023-01-24T19:04:18Z")
From my understanding, At least initially it was partially a supply limitation issue. Requiring HMS ensured those who wanted the hardware for professional monitoring would get priority and make sure to keep enough supply in stock for those users. At one point there was enough supply that Wyze opened it up to selling the starter kits without the subscription, but once those ran out all the build your own stuff has remained with the subscription required. Granted, you can always cancel the subscription to end after the first month anyway. That’s what a lot of people have done, and all the hardware continues to work fine. I’m guessing their metrics from the period when they allowed people to buy without a subscription were not as encouraging as would be hoped. Maybe they were high and would be unsustainable with the limited the supply they could obtain to keep enough for the subscription paying users as a priority, IDK. Hopefully Everything will recover to the point that there aren’t chip limit concerns or other parts or anything anymore. ---
**Author:** ![WildBill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/wildbill/32/41408_2.png) [@WildBill](https://forums.wyze.com/u/WildBill)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-must-i-buy-a-home-monitoring-system-with-a-wyze-sense-hub/256444/3 "2023-01-24T22:08:04Z")
Not sure what it is you need from the sense products. Perhaps another brand might be a better choice. I agree that Wyze needs to sell these apart from the subscription which makes it an entirely frustrating product line. ---
**Author:** ![SlabSlayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@SlabSlayer](https://forums.wyze.com/u/SlabSlayer)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-must-i-buy-a-home-monitoring-system-with-a-wyze-sense-hub/256444/4 "2023-01-25T01:34:47Z")
There are several #Wishlist requests that have been started requesting the sale of the Sense Hub as a seperate purchase item. You can visit these, vote at the top, like ❤ posts that you agree with, and add your own post in reply at the bottom. > [@New Wyze Sense as a Standalone Hub and Sensor System](https://forums.wyze.com/t/new-wyze-sense-as-a-standalone-hub-and-sensor-system/184325): > > Don’t see any listing for this so adding it to the wishlist, I would like to see the new Wyze Sense sensor system act as a stand alone system where you don’t need the home monitoring service, since you no longer sell the old system with the bridge it would only be logical to make the new system work as a stand alone if that’s what the user wants, If they want the home monitoring that’s fine they can still use it, but I don’t see the need for it when the old system that just sent notifications to… > [@Wyze Hub Ideas](https://forums.wyze.com/t/wyze-hub-ideas/37528): > > Hi, Aside from integration with other hubs, would there be a plan to release a wyze hub for offline access / reducing the # of connections on the router? Thanks > [@Wyze Sense Should Support Multiple Hubs For Better Range and Coverage (Sell additional sense hubs)](https://forums.wyze.com/t/wyze-sense-should-support-multiple-hubs-for-better-range-and-coverage-sell-additional-sense-hubs/185085): > > I have a Wyze Sense v2 system and hub but I have a few sensors at extreme ranges like a garage and mailbox. I’d like to be able to have multiple Wyze Sense Hubs as part of a single home security system. According to the [reddit AMA](https://forums.wyze.com/t/wyze-home-monitoring-reddit-ama-may-18-1-00-pm-pacific/181908/11) this is apparently possible: Each hub can support up to 100 sensors. We are working on a system builder to help guide people. The range between the hub and sensors is about 500 ft / 152 m. If your detached garage is within that range, you should be good. Otherwise … ---
**Author:** ![ssummerlin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/ssummerlin/32/106815_2.png) [@ssummerlin](https://forums.wyze.com/u/ssummerlin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/why-must-i-buy-a-home-monitoring-system-with-a-wyze-sense-hub/256444/5 "2023-02-05T00:02:28Z")
I was looking for a friend and I tried all sorts of things to buy just the Wyse sense hub here or on Amazon. Glad I read your post. That’s crazy you cannot buy the hub by itself, I guess the old method of plugging in an interface to my cam v1 is long gone. It is what it is. Guess I will have to look elsewhere.