V2 WPA3 support - Does anyone have it working?

Curious to see finder’s verification either way.

Screenshot coming soon. I just have to find a page showing the OG truly on the network with WPA3. Too bad it’s not shown on the device info page in the Wyze app.

Verify may have been too strong of a word in my post, as I could be wrong.

But, WPA2/WPA3 aka “mixed mode” is actually the very reason I had claimed to “verify” the OG worked with WPA3.

  1. Purchased two OG cams (my first Wyze purchase) Connected them to a dedicated guest network set with WPA2 only. Went smooth no probs.
  2. Purchased a v4. Connected to same WPa2 network. O-ok.
  3. Purchased two v3 pros. Connected them to same WPA2 network. (These v3 pros cameras I tells ya…. lags and errors. They technically connect… but so unreliable loading in the app. Regret not just getting v4s because that edge Ai detection is some BS…)

With all cams on WPA2; I changed it to WPA3. After that, the two v3 pros stopped working. (Strange because it still showed them being connected with full bars in their device info section) However, video feed would not load giving an error.

The v4 and OG cams continued to work with WPA3.

All cams work with either WPA2 only, or WPA2/WPA3.

As router advanced settings can be annoyingly sensitive (or VERY… Asus) to on-th-fly setting changes. Especially without fully rebooting, unplugging etc. between. The argument can be made it’s possible the network was in à quasi-WPA2/WPA3 state due to it being a “dirty” swap directly switching from WPA2 to WPA3 vs a clean new cam setup directly into a WPA3 network.

Besides that, I think the v4 and OG are most likely WPA3.

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Thanks!

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If you want to know for sure and your router does not show you what method it is using, change it to WPA3 only, not WPA2/3 mixed.

Most devices will need to “forget” and re-join the network when changing to WPA3. Some know to re-negotiate but from what I’ve seen that’s few and far between.

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If that’s the case, it’s safe to say it’s confirmed. The OG CAM and v4 CAM both continued to function normally when changed from [WPA2 ONLY] to [WPA3 ONLY]

It was the v3 pro that stopped with [WPA3 ONLY].

If you arqw

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Fantastic follow-up.

Bit surprised on the OG but not shocked. Given that it is fairly recent apparently the chipset manufacturer included recent enough drivers to support it. WPA3 support is pretty rare on 802.11N/WIFI4 devices but not unheard of.

UPDATE: No WPA3 support FOR WYZE Cam OG & WYZE Cam v3 PRO

@Dave27 you right.

The OG and V3Pro both do not connect to a WPA3 network when cameras are set up from factory reset.

The following occurs if you try:

The v3Pro will whisper “NETWORK NAME NOT FOUND!!!”.

The OG will quietly say “ENCRYPTION METHOD NOT SUPPORTED!!!”

Afterwards, both cams gently resume with “READY TO CONNECT!!!”

(*if only it would record sound like that)

Extra information:

The Wyze Cam v3 PRO
NO support WPA3- Has two antennas; one internal antennae and one FPC antennae. For best range, ; Wireless 802.11n ONLYmode, turn on OFDMA+MIMO if router settings allow.

The WyzeCam OG
NO support WPA3- Has 1 FPC antenna. Best range with; Wireless 802.11n mode; MCS7, OFDMA+MIMO turn on.

The Wyze Cam v4
WPA3 SUPPORTED ATBM 6062 WiFi6 802.11AX Chip. 2.4G band ONLY, No 5G band.

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Makes sense, generally I’ve found only Wifi 5 and up devices support it (and even then, it isn’t too common, 6 is where it was really implemented as a standard).

Strange that you saw it work when changing the router from 2 to 3, maybe some sort of glitch with the way the router handles that change, or maybe it automatically does 2/3 mode if it sees a 2 client is already connected?

Normally if you’ve set a device up with 2 and change your router to 3, you have to re-join that device.

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@WyzeJasonJ any news on where the v2 stands? :crazy_face:

Glitch for sure. Routers are so finicky. settings change, but not really if the exact formulaic steps+reboots upon reboots, upon reboot. miss one reboot and ahh no encryption for you!! :confounded: :tired_face:

Normally if you’ve set a device up with 2 and change your router to 3, you have to re-join that device.

Avoid headaches, this is my standard rule of thumb onward!

any news on where the v2 stands? :crazy_face:

If you’re asking about WPA3 support on the Wyze Cam v2. It’s not possible

The Wyze Cam v4 AFAIK is the only WPA3.

It’s a hardware limitation. No firmware update can change it.

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YES and thank you for setting the record straight. What continues to amaze me is the age of this thread and not a single word from WYZE. Sorry, they did say we’re looking into it for over a year and also updated the release notes referenced in the OP.

It appears that @ai.ya and others in our community know more about WYZE hardware and its capabilities than the WYZE employees providing information to those writing release notes. (Typically straight from the products team who receives the information from a dev team.) Not to mention the WYZE employees straight up spreading lies and false expectations on this forum through @WyzeJasonJ. You can see for yourself how he was treated by his own ilk. Just read through the thread…

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One of Apple innovations; their lucrative, zero-transparency, consumer-unfriendly, business model. After-sales -support- gaslighting consists of “geniuses” reading cookie cutter answers from a binder to address all customer problems. If you can’t be helped, you are the problem. It’s the “customers always wrong approach”. ~ … Said best in the movie “How High” BUFU!! Buy Us, F U!
…and many companies followed suit. cough cough
~*End rant
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So the Wyze Cam v2 and v3 used a Realtek RTL8189FTV WiFi chip. It’s not a proprietary item. Anyone could have opened the cam to see, then purchased that chip if they wanted. or just done a quick search for its specs to find it didn’t support WPA3. In addition, the FCC requires all RF WiFi products sold in the U.S. be tested for compliance and its documents are meant for public disclosure Confidential and/or proprietary tid -bits excluded.In the case of the v2, the WiFi chip, its capabilities, and much more have been publicly available in its FCC filings since 2020. (Isn’t this Republic wonderful? Power to the People!) https://fcc.id/2ANJHWYZEC02

All that to say; I’m not sure what the reason is for Wyze to string its customers along like that. Seems shady, especially with the damage it can do to brand reputation. Once consumer trust and confidence is lost, it’s usually gone for goood.

@Known1 glad I was able to offer some clarity on the issue!

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Technically it is possible to enable WPA3 with firmware (driver update) on many older wifi chipsets, but the makers of those chipsets either no longer exist, or would not be investing money in updating old chips. It could also have a performance impact if the chipset can’t support the new algorithm in hardware.

I believe the Batttery Cam Pro and maybe one of the doorbells have 5ghz support (probably wifi 5), it is possible one of them may support it, but again since WPA3 is a lot newer than original Wifi 5, they may not ever get a driver update for it. Anything with Wifi 6 or higher should support it natively (should being the key word).

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I see. Then this could have been out of Wyze control. A situation where the manufacture initially marketed the 8189 WiFi chip with WPA3 support. But when it didn’t, they promised it would be in a firmware update (that never materialized) Wyze just passed that promise along to its customers. If this is the case, seems strange to ghost its customers when I think we would have understood it’s not their call… but maybe they didn’t “point fingers” out of professional courtesy to maintain good business relations. Of course, this is all just speculation; and a generous one at that in Wyze favor. At the end of the day, just trying to make sense of things, as I very much dislike it when paying customers are treated like sheeple.

Do you happen to know of a firmware update anywhere ever that activated WPA3 on a device afterwards? Seems to be zero incentive for the reasons you mentioned @dave27 . Plus, if the chip functions okay as is, and it’s stable. With their chip being sold and used in any number of products and devices. Sounds like a headache unless there was dedication of both parties to work as a team to implement a manufacture change specifically for Wyze ecosystem. I don’t really know how it all works but now knowing that it is technically it’s possible, but probably never done is such a tease. :sob:

I’ve seen it added to some routers (which use 3rd party wifi SOCs usually from Broadcom or Mediatek). But I’m still using an old Asus Wifi5 router as an AP in one area and it never got it, even on the latest firmware, and the Broadcom drivers in that firmware have been updated several times in the last couple years.

I didn’t know Wyze had mentioned WPA3 support at some point, was not something I ever expected to work on their Wifi4 cams. Since I still have wifi4 and 5 devices, I have not made the move to WPA3 so hasn’t affected me.

Those are SOC’s and only about a dozen or so companies worldwide produce those. The main players being Qualcomm, Mediatek, Broadcom. I can agree and understand updates coming from them are possible and in the case of mobile or router SOCs, even necessary at time.

But we are talking about a RF transmitter integrated circuit in these Wyze cams. The manufacture pumps these out for less than a dollar a piece in bulk to be used in all sorts of devices. IOTs, home brew hobbies, Rasberry Pi’s, etc.

While an SOC manufacture can release updates to modify the radio settings when part of its chipset. In the case of these cams, The SOC is an Ingenic T30 and the software is Wyze. The effort and high risk of bricking on the part of Realtek (or whatever generic manufacture Wyze sources for the 8189 WiFi -chip- transmitter) to update a budget WiFi module will never happen although technically possible.

I guess I also do not know if Wyze mentioned WPa3 support lol. I assumed they had from this thread and others from this forumm

Most likely a pre-fab off the shelf board they spec’d to be used and is used in several other brands also (from dash cams to this sort of cam). Basically an SOC just “blown up” into a few different chips since that’s the cheaper way to do it for something low performance like this. Like you say, very unlikely it is going to get any sort of driver updates after the fact, and they’d still likely have to do some changes in the firmware too. Often by the time the chips end up on these low end, inexpensive boards, they’re already discontinued and you’re working with whatever stock is left. 6 months down the road a new revision of the board will be used with one of the chips swapped for another, but even if it is the RF chip, if it is wifi4, it won’t have gotten any new drivers in years.

Surplus components make stuff like this possible. If the surplus chip sells well enough, sometimes the company will even re-tool and produce another 100k or million of them.

Personally I don’t assume or even hope anything before Wifi6 will support WPA3.

Tbh. I feel like ive reached that level of how back in the day when technology surpassed older adults ability to keep up so always had the digital clock on their VCRs blinking 12:00
unless one of the kids helped set it

My VCR is the one blinking 12:00 now :tired_face: