# Not so NEW kid on the block **URL:** \ **Category:** Watercooler\ **Created:** [December 14, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283 "2022-12-14T19:15:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/1 "2022-12-14T19:15:34Z")
For all disgruntled Wyze cam users, here is a replacement for v3, v3 Pro, WCO… you get my drift. > **[All Features of Eve Outdoor Cam | evehome.com](https://www.evehome.com/en-us/blog/eve-outdoor-cam-all-features?mtm_campaign=eve-outdoor-cam-white&mtm_source=eve-outdoor-cam-white-newsletter&mtm_medium=eve-outdoor-cam-white-newsletter)** > > As the first floodlight camera designed exclusively for HomeKit Secure Video, Eve Outdoor Cam perfectly represents Eve's values: Thanks to Apple's technology, it represents the state of the art in terms of functionality, privacy and security. It looks like it is an amazing camera, with a price tag to match. **[Mod Note]:** _Topic moved to Watercooler to allow for “spicy” debate. Please keep the [Community Guidelines](https://forums.wyze.com/t/wyze-community-guidelines/6796) in mind when replying._ ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/2 "2022-12-14T21:19:40Z")
NOTE to the Forum Moderator who moved this post to the Watercooler. The reason I posted in Cameras section was due to visibility and relevance. Watercooler is the least visited section and most complaints about Wyze are camera related. Please put this post where it belongs. Thanks, ---
**Author:** ![Bam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/bam/32/12148_2.png) [@Bam](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Bam)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/3 "2022-12-14T22:37:52Z")
I feel what you’re saying but the reason it was moved is due to relevance of topic. One of the things that we’ve done lately is try to clean up the forum spaces for newer users as over the years it had gotten rather cluttered. Being that this is not related to a Wyze camera It was moved to water cooler because it would be a general discussion topic. The cameras section is where people seeking help with specific devices in that particular topic cameras versus say switches or vacuums would look for issues or help related to Wyze cameras. I don’t think many people would visit wyze forums necessarily to find solutions in other cameras. But as it may be relevant to some people and might even assist some people the topic was kept. It was just moved to a more generalized area of the forum. I don’t know which specific moderator moved it and I don’t speak directly for them but going along with what I know of the organization of the forum I can assure you this is what took place. Nothing more nothing less. I hope that helps with some sort of explanation as to why that movement was taken ---
**Author:** ![Seapup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/seapup/32/118966_2.png) [@Seapup](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Seapup)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/4 "2022-12-14T22:51:16Z")
Your topic was flagged as spam (it’s not) and by the community as contentious (it’s not). We don’t censor topics like yours as long they comply with the Community Guidelines and links to competitors’ products are allowed as long as they are relevant. But we do have administrative guidelines for forum organization as @Bam noted above. Thank you for creating the topic and sharing the link. 👍 I hope the resulting topic discourse helps Wyze target areas for product improvement. ---
**Author:** ![mvb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/mvb/32/13153_2.png) [@mvb](https://forums.wyze.com/u/mvb)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/5 "2022-12-15T01:33:52Z")
I looked it over and my reaction is pretty much, meh, The price is on par with ring, but for the money, Wyze is better, in my opinion. I’ve had Wyze cameras for 4 and a half years. In fact, the first V2s I bought are still going strong. I don’t see the need to start switching out cameras that are 3 times the price. But, then again, you are directing your comments to “disgruntled Wyze cam users.” ---
**Author:** ![SlabSlayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@SlabSlayer](https://forums.wyze.com/u/SlabSlayer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/6 "2022-12-15T03:36:14Z")
Good Gracious! They sure are proud of their creation aren’t they! One indoor cam for **more than the price of 4 V3 cams**. One Floodlight cam for **much more than the price of 2 Wyze Floodlights w\cams**. Not sure I’m seeing an “Apple” to Wyze comparison here. Guess they gotta pay the Evil Fruit Empire. And for us Fruit Averse folk? ---
**Author:** ![Newshound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/newshound/32/71715_2.png) [@Newshound](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Newshound)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/7 "2022-12-15T05:34:24Z")
> [@habib](#): > > Watercooler is the least visited section Actually, I view posts by “Latest”, so all headings have the same visibility to me, and anyone who views by latest. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/8 "2022-12-15T17:16:30Z")
👍 ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/9 "2022-12-15T17:17:00Z")
👍 👍 ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/10 "2022-12-15T17:18:34Z")
> [@mvb](#): > > But, then again, you are directing your comments to “disgruntled Wyze cam users.” Exactly, way to many of them cluttering the forum. ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/11 "2022-12-15T17:24:13Z")
> [@SlabSlayer](#): > > Not sure I’m seeing an “Apple” to Wyze comparison here. > > Guess they gotta pay the Evil Fruit Empire. In case you are not familiar with Eve. Back in the day, they used to be in the forefront of technology. They’ve come up with a technology for around $200 that will allow you to stream cable TV, Free over the air, convert your analog VHC to digital with a single USB/FireWire device geared toward Mac platform. Then things changed technologically, and other players came along and streaming over the internet became a norm. This when Eve changed the course and became a Home Automation company. Over priced in my oppinion. ---
**Author:** ![Customer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Customer](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Customer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/12 "2022-12-15T18:09:56Z")
Considering the also-overpriced competing floodlights, $250 isn’t completely outrageous, but $150 for a simple **indoor** cam is a bit much. I’m not interested in a hard coded Apple ecosystem either, although their emphasizing local control is a plus. The camera designs are a bit different but mostly meh. (Indoor one looks stupid.) Somebody could make decent money packaging a line like this around Home Assistant instead. Edit: how is this “amazing” anyway? It’s fixed and only 1080p ! ![Screenshot_20221215-131215](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/original/3X/4/4/441ffb0857f2d2b3404fcb4773af52642c6da8f7.jpeg) Pretty sure there are much cheaper Apple compatible gear vendors anyway. ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/13 "2022-12-15T18:24:43Z")
> [@Customer](#): > > The camera designs are a bit different but mostly meh. (Indoor one looks stupid.) I was just interested in opinions in the outdoor version compared to v3 and v3 Pro 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Seapup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/seapup/32/118966_2.png) [@Seapup](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Seapup)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/14 "2022-12-17T15:53:37Z")
Price/performance/features ratio is very unappealing to me. [Customer](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Customer)’s noted “hard coded Apple ecosystem”, Eve’s comments indicating no plans to accommodate Matter and the wave of user app & firmware bug reports are deal-breakers for me. ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/15 "2022-12-18T06:59:17Z")
If I remember correctly, you’ve never complained about Wyze 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Seapup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/seapup/32/118966_2.png) [@Seapup](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Seapup)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/16 "2022-12-20T00:46:09Z")
I always air my Wyze complaints, but I supplement them with easy solutions… and Wyze usually obliges. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/17 "2022-12-20T02:55:05Z")
So no $250 camera for you then? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Seapup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/seapup/32/118966_2.png) [@Seapup](https://forums.wyze.com/u/Seapup)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/18 "2022-12-20T02:58:15Z")
I have cams that cost more than that, but performance and feature are on par with price. ---
**Author:** ![habib](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/wyze/user_avatar/forums.wyze.com/habib/32/110070_2.png) [@habib](https://forums.wyze.com/u/habib)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.wyze.com/t/not-so-new-kid-on-the-block/251283/19 "2022-12-20T04:18:21Z")
But none of them are Eve.